An Tir IL dated 2012-03-13 (Jump to Submissions)
To Anthony Black Lion, Oddr Lions Blood, and the venerable College of heralds in An Tir and the known world, I send greetings from Viktor Black Talbot. Specifically, I would like to thank Lions Blood and Sable Chime for their assistance with entering the 14 items that appear in this letter. Please be patient as I settle in and get used to setting up the letters for commentary.
Commentary for this letter will be due by April 13.
FROM LIONS BLOOD
Greetings from Lions Blood!
With regret, I must announce that due to unforeseen circumstances, Rahere Boar has had to step down. I wish to thank him for his initiative in volunteering, and look forward to his future commentary and consultation, and to a more opportune time for him to labor for his Kingdom and College. Viktor Black Talbot has this month started writing the Internal Letter, under the supervision of our incomparable Elizabeth Sable Chime during this somewhat-less daunting month, and we appreciate your understanding and patience during his education.
With no undue amount of appreciation to all our commenters, I'd like to express particular thanks to Basil Dragonstrike and Tóki Sinister Gauntlet for enduring the marathon Lions Blood meeting yesterday. My work is yet beginning as I compose decisions, but I think we have at least sound bases for them.
I must remind commenters that commentary is to be kept private. Issues may be rendered moot based on information you do not have, or I may choose to forward anyway. You do not know my decisions until I publish them, and to purport otherwise is a significant disservice to submitter and College alike.
The next Lions Blood meetings will be:
- Saturday, 14 Apr, time TBD (probably early afternoon), discussing this letter at the Irish Spring Feast at Rivers Bend. See the Crier for site information.
- Sunday, 27 May, noon at my house, discussing the April letter. This date is tentative.
In Service, and with gratitude, I remain --
Oddr Lions Blood, JdL
FROM BLACK TALBOT
Greetings from Viktor Black Talbot.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank Oddr Lions Blood and Elizabeth Sable Chime for encouraging me to take this position as well as for their unwavering support and guidance with the rapid learning process that I have undertaken. I never expected that I would get involved with heraldry when I began the research for my own name and device, but it quickly became something that I found to be fascinating on several levels.
When the opportunity for this position opened up, I inquired (with quite a bit of hesitation) about the position and they both provided me with the inspiration to formally apply for it. In the past few weeks, I have learned a great deal more than I expected about the submission process and I look forward to serving as Black Talbot for some time. I am honored to be a part of the team of heralds and will do my best to serve humbly and with honor.
Once again, thank you to Lions Blood and Sable Chime for your support and encouragement (and for not smacking me too hard when I ask the same question more than once).
Viktor Black Talbot
FROM SABLE CHIME
Greetings from Elizabeth Sable Chime!
I would like to take this opportunity to thank the College for its patience as we worked through this training process to get Viktor up to speed with the internal letter. It has, as always, been a blessing working with the Lions Blood team in a submissions capacity.
To this end, I want to remind consulting heralds and submitters of the following:
- Please do not send submissions stapled together. Use paperclips if you must, but I do not always catch staples before I run the packet through the top-load scanner. This has the potential to ruin your submission. I do not like doing forms over for this reason.
- Double-check heraldry.sca.org for articles you find at s-gabriel.org/names. Those hosted at the official Laurel website do not need copies sent to Kingdom. The most common article I get is "Feminine Names in DES" by Talan Gwynek - this article is hosted at heraldry.sca.org. Please use Appendix H sources where you can. We have a new Laurel clerk and I do not want to overload her with paper.
- Do not submit name forms with a blank documentation section. If you need help documenting your name, please consult with a herald! You can do this by asking the SCA Heraldry Chat Facebook group (http://www.facebook.com/groups/235137199202/), e-mailing Æstel Herald (email@example.com) or asking the An Tir Heralds mailing list (firstname.lastname@example.org). There are so many resources where help can be found that there really is no excuse for not fully completing the form.
I am always willing to come and teach consultation and submissions protocol. I can be bribed with crash space and/or a potluck :) I even have shiny new toys I can use for consultation! It is really important that knowledge be shared as it is gained, because it is no fun to have the universe come crashing down when someone burns out. Oddr won't be Lions Blood forever (and this is a great thing - the office is not meant to be done by one person forever!), so the more folks who know how the process works the bigger pool of potential candidates we can draw from when the time comes.
I will be continuing to serve as mail collector/scanning goddess until such time as the box moves away from Corvallis. :)
I can be reached at email@example.com if folks have questions, until the firstname.lastname@example.org address is set up properly.
In joyful service to the College,
Lady Elizabeth Turner de Carlisle, GdS
Sable Chime Herald
The following is excerpted from the January 2012 Cover Letter:
From Laurel: New Ragged Staff
As advertised, Laurel has been seeking a new intake clerk for paperwork. That job has been filled. We would like to welcome Wu Yun to our staff as Ragged Staff. All submissions heralds should note the new address that all packets must be sent to, below. All packets for January LoIs should be sent to Shauna, in Montana, and are due by the 29th of February. All packets for February LoIs should be sent to Wu at the new address in Virginia, and are due by the 31st of March.
We would like to thank Shauna of Carrick Point for her tireless efforts working with us as Ragged Staff. She is not going away completely though, and will remain the archivist for this office.
Note that the address for checks remains the same - they still go to Rory, our Chancellor of the Exchequer.
From Laurel: Change to the Admin Handbook
Admin Handbook IV.C.1.e, Completed Paperwork - Submissions forms, currently reads:
e. If names are changed by kingdom, the forms must be changed to match the name submitted on the letter of intent. Kingdoms are encouraged to add the submitted blazons on the forms as well However, kingdoms should not remove or black out information that the submitter has given (original spellings of names and blazons of armory). Drawing a single line through an original blazon or name is acceptable so long as the original information can still be read and understood.
Effective immediately, we are changing this to read:
e. If names, blazons, or documentation are changed by kingdom, the forms do not need to be altered to match the information submitted on the Letter of Intent. If the forms are altered, kingdoms should not remove or black out information that the submitter has given (original spellings or documentation of names, blazons of armory). Drawing a single line through an original blazon or name is acceptable so long as the original information can still be read and understood.
From Laurel: How To Fix Errors
Unfortunately, we are all human. This means we make mistakes. Since there have been multiple questions, recently, asking how to fix these errors, we figured we should remind everyone what the procedure is. The Administrative Handbook, Section VI. "Requests for Correction and Change of Registered Items", has the requirements for this:
A. Blazon and Spelling Corrections may be requested if an error derives from a typographical error or omission in a Letter of Acceptances and Returns and/or the Armorial and Ordinary.
1. Corrections to a Letter of Acceptances and Returns must be requested in writing to Laurel. The request must clearly indicate the specific error or omission and the letter of acceptances and returns on which the error occurred. Requests for correction should not be included on letters of intent or letters of commentary and need not be circulated to the membership of the College of Arms prior to action.
2. Corrections to the Armorial and Ordinary not involving errors in a letter of acceptances and return may be requested in writing to the Morsulus Herald. Requests for correction should not be included on letters of intent or letters of comment and need not be circulated to the membership of the College of Arms prior to action.
B. Blazon and Spelling Changes must be reviewed by the College of Arms if the error derives from an error on a Letter of Intent. Such changes should be included on a Letter of Intent for the consideration of the College of Arms just as if the submitter were requesting a specific change to the name or armory.
This means that, if the original error was on a LoI, it must be corrected by issuing another LoI item. If the error was on a LoAR, the correction should be requested directly to Laurel, Pelican, or Wreath, and the correction will be issued as part of a new LoAR. If the error is in the Ordinary and Armorial, but is correct on the LoAR, a request for correction should be made directly to Laurel or Morsulus, and the correction will appear in the following quarterly update to the O&A.
The three requests for correction to the O&A, noting that the LoAR was correct, which appeared on LoIs decided this month, have been forwarded directly to Morsulus and were fixed in the recent 4Q11 release.
From Pelican: Some Names Resources (a series): Language Mixes
Submitters are often interested in persona stories (and names) that involve culturally mixed backgrounds. We allow the registration of certain language mixes, but that's not what I want to deal with today. Instead, I want to talk about what the documented cultural mixes look like.
The first occasion when we see "culturally mixed" names is when people move from one part of Europe to another. There are a handful of famous examples. The English mercenary John Hawkwood was known in France as Jehan Haccoude and in Latinized Italian as Johannes Acutus (Giovanni Acuto). The Spanish princess Catalina de Aragon was known in English as Katharine of Aragon. Note that in each case, the name is written following the standards of a single language, with the given name "translated" into the local equivalent. The bynames are dealt with differently: sometimes translated, but also sometimes rendered phonetically.
We see the same thing in the Gaelic-speaking areas of Ireland and Scotland. Names are rendered either completely in Gaelic or completely in Anglicized forms. An amazing collection of Anglicized forms of Gaelic names can be found in Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada's "Names Found in Anglicized Irish Documents" (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnglicizedIrish/). You can see the opposite - English family names rendered in Gaelic - at (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/DescriptiveBynames.shtml (in the section labeled "Hereditary Surnames found in Feminine Names").
So, while we allow a name to be registered that mixes a given name written in Gaelic and a byname that's Anglicized, that's not how they would have been written down in period. Instead, the name would exist in two forms, one completely Gaelic and the other completely Anglicized.
The same is true of these other language mixes: while people moved from one place to another, their names changed as they went. So, while we allow names to be registered that mix certain languages, it's not the period way to solve the problem.
Laurel registered the following items in January 2012:
Ætta surt. Device. Vert, a weeping willow tree eradicated and on a chief embattled argent three dragonflies azure.
Alessandra Donato. Name.
The submitter requested authenticity for 16th century Venice; this name meets that request.
Angharat Wyth. Name change from Scott Mac Alister.
Nice 13th century Welsh name!
The submitter's previous name, Scott Mac Alister, is retained as an alternate name.
Aquaterra, Barony of. Badge association for the populace. Per pale wavy barry wavy argent and azure and vert.
Clare O Tarran. Name.
In Gaelic, patronymic and clan bynames must match the gender of the given name; in Anglicized forms like these, women's names often appear with the masculine forms Mac and O.
Cristiana de Huntington. Name and device. Per chevron gules and azure, two crosses patonce Or and a fleur-de-lys argent.
Nice 14th century English name!
Please advise the submitter to splay the arms of the cross patonce, not just their ends. A properly drawn cross patonce can be seen at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cross-Patonce-Heraldry.svg.
Dagmær in hvassa. Device change. Sable, a bull rampant gardant contourny argent crowned Or, a bordure argent semy of oak leaves palewise sable.
The submitter is a duchess, and thus entitled to the display of a crown.
Her previous device, Azure, a bull couchant gardant contourny and on a chief argent three oak leaves vert, is retained as a badge.
Eadric Æthelwulf. Device. Sable, a unicorn statant and in chief two acorns slipped and leaved within an orle Or.
Ermelina of Dragon's Mist. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Azure, an open book Or and on a chief argent a torc sable.
Submitted under the name Ermelina de Carville.
Finn Grim. Name and device. Sable, a tree blasted and eradicated and on a chief embattled argent three tankards vert.
As documented, this name mixed Gaelic and English, which would be a step from period practice. Commenters were able to document the name as a completely late period English name.
Johanna Trewpeny. Device. Per bend sinister argent and paly azure and argent, on a bend sinister sable an arrow inverted Or, in canton a Latin cross moline gules.
Johanna Trewpeny. Badge. (Fieldless) On a Latin cross argent a cinquefoil azure seeded argent slipped and leaved vert.
Please advise the submitter to draw the seeding on the cinquefoil as round and not star-shaped.
Kesa of Etelköz. Name.
Submitted as Kesa of Atel Kuzu, the byname is a lingua Anglica form. However, the submitter did not demonstrate that Atel Kuzu was the standard modern form of the place name. Instead, that form appears to be Etelköz. While Etelköz is rarely used in English, it appears in some standard encyclopedias. Therefore we are giving the submitter the benefit of the doubt and registering the name as Kesa of Etelköz.
The submitter requested authenticity for 9th century Hungarian. We have no records for that period, so we cannot confirm the name is authentic for that period. Kesa is dated to no earlier than 1138. But the name is registerable.
Laurs surtr. Device. Per bend sinister argent and sable, in fess three swords inverted counterchanged.
Nogg Gabryel. Name.
Phillip de Mantel. Name.
The byname de Mantel is grandfathered to the submitter, as his father's registered name is Dyon de Mantel.
Rouland Feret. Name and device. Argent, a sea-lion erect contourny azure within a bordure azure ermined argent.
Sarra de Glen. Device. Argent, a crow and in chief three hearts sable.
Laurel returned the following items for further work in January 2012:
Andromácha Pollá Prósoupa. Name.
Commenters could find no evidence of a Greek byname (or one in any other language) meaning "many faces." Without that evidence, the byname cannot be registered.
Ermelina de Carville. Name.
In the current rules, diminutives conflict with the root names they're derived from. As Lina is a diminutive of names ending in -lina, this name conflicts with the registered Lina Carville. Under the draft rules, these names will be clear of conflict, as we only consider sound and appearance.
Her device has been registered under the holding name Ermelina of Dragon's Mist.
LIONS BLOOD ACTIONS
The following items have been forwarded to Laurel and are tentatively scheduled to be decided on in May 2012:
Ánrothán Ó Murchada. New Name.
A question was raised during commentary about whether <hua> should be used instead of <Ó>. Response to that commentary indicated the construction is registerable as-is, and absent an authenticity request we have not made any change.
Aoife inghean Paidín. New Name.
Krossa's "A Simple Guide to Constructing 12th Century Scottish Gaelic Names" (http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/simplescotgaelicnames12.shtml) would indicate "ingen" instead of "inghean". However, a question was raised about when the spelling shift occured, which was not answered in commentary but which if (as is speculated) it were to have been in the 13th century then the spelling would be authentic as-is. We have left the element unmodified pending resolution of that question.
In period, expect the byname to be pronounced as desired.
Aoife inghean Paidín. New Device. Argent, a bee sable marked Or, on a chief azure three flowering dogwood blossoms argent.
There is a SFPP for using this depiction of dogwood:
[...]Pelican noted that the dogwood depicted here is a New World species Cornus florida, but that its native range includes the area of St. Augustine, Florida, which has been continuously occupied since 1565, and the area of the Roanoke settlement, in the 1580s. While it was first discovered in the South in 1773 by William Bartram, we can find no record of when it was known near Roanoke. We will give submitters the benefit of the doubt that the Europeans that settled in these locations knew of this species. There is, therefore, a step from period practice for the use of New World flora not found in period armory. [Úrsúla of Rouen, Apr 2011, A-Æthelmearc]
[...]There is a step from period practice for the use of New World dogwoods. [Fortune verch Thomas, May 2011, A-An Tir]
Crínóc Donn. New Badge. (Fieldless) On a wine amphora argent, a goutte de vin.
vs Julien de Montfort, [Dec 1997, Atlantia]: "(Fieldless) A wine amphora argent." We count 1 CD for fieldless, another for addition of the tertiary goutte.
Iohannes map Madoc. New Name.
The submitter seeks authenticity for 10th century Welsh. The citation from Bartrum is Harleian MS.3859, p9-13, and is 10th century Welsh.
Marcus Octavius Rufus. New Name.
Metron Ariston's discussion for Gaius Octavius Lunaris (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/12/10-12lar.html, acceptances for An Tir) provides useful documentation for the use of <Octavius> as nomen.
Melannei Athenaiaes. New Name.
Commentary could provide no basis for any required changes.
Morrine Alaxandair. New Name.
Forwarded as Morrine inghean Alaxandair.
There is an SFPP for combining Gaelic and Anglicized Irish.
Morrine Alaxandair. New Device, Argent, a hummingbird rising vert between three triquetras purpure.
We believe there is an SFPP for the use of a hummingbird.
We believe to this to be a valid depiction of a hummingbird rising, though beak is fesswise.
We suggest the beak warrants an artist's note. We also suggest larger triquetras warrant an artist's note. vs Karl of Colfax [Mar 1973]: Argent, a falcon vert, orbed gules, preying on a coney counter-ermine.
We believe this to be clear of Karl of Colfax per the Nov 2003 CL discussion as well as the following:
When one proposes to reblazon an imperfectly-drawn "hawk" as a generic "bird", it would lose an often-critical type CD from past or future submissions using swans, herons, chickens, peacocks, ostriches, hummingbirds, penguins, and so forth. [Oct 2003 CL]
.. with 1 CD for falcon vs hummingbird, and 1 CD for addition of the triquetras.
Robert of Wolford. Resub Device, Sable, a wolf rampant ermine and a ford proper.
We believe the depiction of the ford to be sufficient, based on the acceptance of the ford as depicted in the Oct 2001 registration of Sabine d'Angers (based on the emblazon provided by Ragged Staff), and the following precedents:
[Purpure ... a ford proper] Please advise the submitter to draw the ford so that an argent stripe is against the purpure field. This is still identifiable as a ford since it has enough stripes, so this does not need to be returned for contrast problems. [Sabine d'Angers, 10/01, A-An Tir]
[... and a ford proper.] This is returned for a redraw as the waves are drawn as wavy bretessed. This non-period style has long been grounds for return. On resubmission, the submitter is advised that the ford should be drawn with four or more traits instead of three. [Alessandra de Piro, 08/05, R-Calontir]
Sadb Hálsdottir. New Name.
There is an SFPP for combining Irish and Norse elements.
Sadb Hálsdottir. New Device, Per bend vert and Or, a bend between a drakkar and a mortar and pestle counterchanged.
We suggest the artist may wish to leave a bit more room between the mortar and pestle and the bend.
1: Caterina Fortuna - New Badge
(fieldless) A rose purpure, barbed and seeded vert, within drawn bow argent.
Submitter's branch is Dragon's Mist. Submitter's name was registered in September of 2010 (via An Tir).
2: Dagrún Stjarna - New Device
Per pale argent and sable, raven rising elevated and addorsed to sinister and a fox sejant counterchanged, a point pointed azure and estoille argent.
Submitter's branch is Wastekeep. Submitter's name was registered in December of 2009 (via An Tir).
3: Dmitrii Luchnikov - New Device
Argent, an arrow in pale vert.
Submitter's branch is Dragon's Mist.
4: James Graham of Mugdock - New Name
• Submitter desires a male name.
• Sound (Not specified) most important.
The submitter's branch is Madrone.
The following is quoted from the documentation section of the form:
Mugdock is a region in Scotland named after a 13th century castle.
4: James Graham of Mugdock - New Device
Per chevron inverted sable and gules, on a chevron inverted argent five thistles proper, in base a cross crosslet fitchy argent
5: Magnus Ysenberg - Resub Device
Field is black and green broken into quarters. Latin cross (white) gripped in a gauntlet (white)
Submitter's branch is Aquaterra. Submitter's name was registered in December of 2011 (via An Tir).
The previous submission was returned by Lion's Blood in February 2012 with the following reason:
[This device is returned for violating RfS VIII.3, Armorial Identifiability: "Elements must be used in a design so as to preserve their individual identifiability." Commenters could not identify the gauntlet as such; a gauntlet in period heraldry would be drawn so as to show both the 'fist' and 'wrist' portions.]
6: Malcolm Radcliffe - New Device
Submitter's branch is Dragon's Mist. Submitter's name was registered in May of 1996 (via An Tir).
[Black Talbot: It is important to note that the name on the form was written as Malcolm Radcliffe of Nottingham, but the name was registered as Malcolm Radcliffe.]
7: Matilda Stoyle - New Badge
(fieldless) On a purse gules, a cross crosslet Or.
The submitter's branch is Madrone. The submitter's name was registered in March of 2011 via An Tir.
8: Nigel Compton - Resub Device
Per chevron azure and or 3 notes counter changed
Submitter's branch is Aquaterra. Submitter's name was registered in November of 2011 (via An Tir).
9: Nuala Ine Sláine - New Name
• Submitter desires a female name.
• No major changes.
• Language (Gaelic) most important.
• Meaning (Nuala daughter of Sláine) most important.
Submitter's branch is Three Mountains.
The following is quoted from the documentation section of the form:
Note: name is Gaelic 1451-1500 timeframe
10: Salomea de Haesel - New Name
Submitter's branch is Madrone.
The following is quoted from the documentation section of the form:
Salomea was on the St. Gabriel web site. "Haesel" olde English recorded as "Hasele" in Domesday book. Also "Hesel" is notes in the 1203 Pipe Rolls of Lincolnshire.
10: Salomea de Haesel - New Device
blue shield with three pierced mullets and a darnat lion facing right with a white diamond and "wedding thistle" joined at the bottom
11: Wilfrid Ahenobarbus - New Name
• Submitter desires a male name.
Submitter's branch is Rhuddglyn.
The following is quoted from the documentation section of the form:
(Argued for a 12th-14th century Frisian, but I'm more concerned with the spelling than the period or region and don't need corrections for them)
==A note on references==
http://www.keesn.nl/names/ is written by Dr. Nieuwenhuijsen, who is a PhD in information architecture, not Frisian history. But, the information on his site is well-researched, recommended as "excellent" from http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/lowcountries.shtml, which is recommended in turn as "reliable" from http://www.modaruniversity.org/Names.htm, which itself was linked from the SCA heraldry name page, so I feel confident in both the site's reputation and in the Dr.'s attempt to citation and good reference. Of his references of which I could find online copies, his data checked out, such as the Traditiones Fuldenses mentioning Gerbraht filios Ecci (http://www.archive.org/stream/traditionesetan01drongoog#page/n75/mode.2up/search/Gerbraht) and other such Latin patrynomics.
While there are physical books of Bede's Ecclesiastical History of the English People and Anthony and Cleopatra, given their historical provenance I didn't think it necessary to provide physical copies. I assume that Project Gutenberg, given its widespread acknowledgement, need no defense. CCEL, less known, is the work of Calvin College staff and students to provide Gutenberg-like service for classic Christian texts.
Wilfrid is mentioned (as visiting Frisia, even) in Bede's Ecclesiastical History of the English People, full text of which can be found here (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bebe/history.txt). Wilfrid mentioned in booke 3, chapter 13 (664CE). Latin text (as Uilfrido) here (http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/bede/bede3.shtml#13). In addition, bot the Will- and -frid stems were used in Frisian names (http://www.keesn.nl/names/names_lowlands_1150.xls), and while not extant in the form of Wilfrid, are reasonably constructable using the combination rules for Frisian names (http://www.keesn.nl/names/en3_rules.htm).
Ahenobarbus is intended as a descriptive Latin (invented) nickname: I have a red beard. There are no extant proofs of Ahenobarbus as a nickname in period, but descriptive Latin bynames did exist in period (in Frisia, such as Tancrad filius Godaberti, Adallard puer, and Amalgisil thesaurius - http://www.keesn.nl/names_lowlands_1150xls). Ahenobarbus was a Roman cognomen (Nero's family) and known to Shakespeare, who used it in Anthony and Cleopatra (as Enobarbus, http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/2268/pg2268.txt), so the name, in that form, was known. Based on this, I think it is reasonably defensible that a Latin descriptive byname of Ahenobarbus could be applied to a period persona. If my argument is sufficiently convincing (and I recognize that it is not conclusive), I would like to fall back on my legal name, Elkink, as described in (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/rfs.html#2.4).
In conclusion, I'd like Wilfrid Ahenobarbus if it's permissible, and Wilfrid Elkink if it's not. I'll accept spelling changes if necessary.
11: Wilfrid Ahenobarbus - New Device
Per chevron inverted azure and sable on a flame or a boar's head erased gules
Thus concludes the March letter.
Black Talbot Herald
An Tir OSCAR counts: 4 New Names, 6 New Devices, 2 New Badges. This gives 12 new items. Resub counts: 2 Resub Devices. This is a total of 2 resubmissions on this letter, for a total of 14 actions.