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An Tir IL dated 2011-10-02 (Jump to Submissions)

Unto Anthony Black Lion, Oddr Lions Blood, and the esteemed heralds from An Tir and elsewhere to whom this missive comes, Rhieinwylydd Boar sends greetings and hopes that you are enjoying what remains of the summer weather.

Readers who were in attendance at Kingdom Twelfth Night this past winter may remember I mentioned something about starting grad school... well, that time has come, and I can already tell that while I could manage Boar duties and school duties, I will be happier and saner if I choose otherwise.  While I'm not disappearing immediately, I would like to hear from anyone who thinks this job might be fun (and it is, trust me).  We can talk details about duties, responsibilities, and how-to, and eventually Lions Blood will select a successor.

Commentary on this letter is due NOVEMBER 18.

FROM LIONS BLOOD

Unto the esteemed College of Heralds of An Tir does Oddr Lions Blood send greetings.

First:  My thanks for humoring me during introductions at our September Crown meeting.  Nonetheless, it is true:  Submit to me!  Or, at least, my dear deputy, Boar, at the usual address in Corvallis.  For those whose clients are near the Barony of Aquaterra (Snohomish County, WA), I am happy to accept submissions directly at the baronial meeting or social.  See the baronial website for times and locations, or email me to make arrangements elsewise.

Second:  Let's talk dates!  In general, I wish to make decisions on a weekend such that I have a full week to compose and finalize the external letter.  I'll make some allowances based on event schedules (generally Aquaterra and neighbors, Kingdom, or River's Bend).

Sep IL

  • Commentary Due: Sat 22 Oct
  • Meeting: Sun 23 Oct, noon - 2pm @ my home (Mill Creek, WA -- contact me for directions)

Oct IL

  • Commentary Due: Fri 18 Nov
  • Meeting: Sat 19 Nov, 3-5pm @ Autumn Gathering (River's Bend -- see event info) [tentative]

Also, a workshop: Sun 6 Nov @ KHS (Mountain Edge - see event info) [tentative]

Argent Scroll has set time aside at the Kingdom Heraldic Symposium for me to hold a meeting.  However, it's pretty early in the month, so I think a commentary workshop would be more appropriate.  Since I am only marginally experienced, and really only in armory, I would love more experienced commenters to volunteer -- especially for onomastics - and discuss about what commentary is most useful, etc. I am likely your student in this matter!

Alternatively, we could have a show-and-tell social, to show off for example, what tools or techniques you have developed, which you think would benefit others. Contact me and we can discuss effective, or at least entertaining, uses of the time.

Awaiting your commentary, I remain your servant,

Oddr Lions Blood

lions-blood@antir.sca.org

LAUREL ACTIONS

The following is excerpted from the June 2011 Cover Letter

From Pelican: Kepe in placenames

One element that has been popular in SCA submissions but had not been documented in placenames is the Middle English Kepe and the Early Modern English Keep. Current precedent says that Keep and its Middle English form Kepe are registerable in contexts suitable for surnames, but not as placename elements (see the November 2001 and May 2011 LoARs for more details).

The complete lack of it in placenames or as a word was somewhat odd, as it is found in personal bynames as a generic toponymic through much of the Middle English period. Well, we've found it. Studies on Middle English local surnames by Mattias Teodor Löfvenberg dates le Kepe as a placename to 1425 (along with Kepeland 1204 and Kepe mede 1530).

Therefore we can overturn the precedent disallowing the element Kepe or Keep in placenames; Kepe is found both as a standalone placename and as a protheme (first element) in English placenames and can be used as such. It is not clear that the element here is in fact the word meaning "castle," as that word is not otherwise attested before the 16th century. But it is registerable in contexts where a placename can be registered. This does

not allow the registration of Keep as a deuterotheme (second element) in placenames; it remains unattested and will not be allowed without further evidence. We are also giving it the benefit of the doubt regarding the meaning and allowing the use of keep as a designator in the same contexts that we would allow a word like Castle.

From Pelican: New Names Resources

As many of you may have noticed, thanks to Edelweiss, we have a new resource that allows us to search parish records that have been transcribed as part of the IGI (International Genealogical Index) project. Most data in this project is not useful for us, as it is submitted by modern researchers doing genealogical research. However, this project also includes a large number of names transcribed by researchers directly from parish records; these names are reasonable documentation. The program can be found at

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/nmfadams/Edelweiss/IGI_Deliverable.zip.

People have asked how to cite these items as documentation. A simple

printout, which you may have to produce by cutting and pasting the results into a word processing program, is sufficient documentation. Be sure to include all the information generated by the program, not just a summary of what you found.

I'd also note that we have been finding a variety of names in this data that I'd have never guessed were period names, including Erin, Jade, and Marci. So, I'd encourage submissions heralds to check this resource for undocumented names. If you can't do it yourself, ask for help. Or even send it up, and we'll give it a shot at the Laurel level.

We have checked several of the old SCA-compatible names, like Bronwyn, Rhiannon, and Keridwen; unfortunately the only two that we have found are Ian and Kathleen

From Pelican: Some Name Resources (a series)

This month I celebrate a year writing this series. In honor of that, I'm going to open a new set of issues: the articles and books I most frequently use to document names from a given time and place. I've already talked about Old English sources (in August 2010), so now let's talk about Middle English.

Middle English is the term we use for medieval English, from the time of the Norman Conquest in 1066 until around the middle of the 15th century. It is followed by Early Modern English, which lasts until well after the end of our period.

For Middle English, the print resources are superb. For surnames, Reaney and Wilson's A Dictionary of English Surnames is still in print, and Bardsley's A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames is downloadable from Google Books (though some other books by him are mislabeled as this book; one copy is at http://books.google.com/books?id=RbkEAAAAIAAJ). For given names,

Withycombe's The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian names is unfortunately out of print, but copies of it are readily available on the used book market. For placenames, Ekwall's The Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Place ­Names is out of print, but easy to find, and Mill's Dictionary of British Place-Names has replaced the earlier Dictionary of English Place-Names (the former is in print, the latter readily available as a used book).

Given these easily accessible and not very expensive print resources, it's not surprising that the online resources are not used as much. However, there are some good articles. One I use a great deal is Talan Gwynek's "Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames" (at http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/reaneyintro.html among other places). Another is Jeanne Marie Lacroix's "'Misplaced'" Names in Reaney & Wilson"

(http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/misplacednames.htm), both of which take data from Reaney and Wilson, one of these important print resources, and make it easier to find.

At this time, there's also a lot of regional variability in names and even in the language itself. If you're aiming for a particular time and place, Aryanhwy merch Catmael and others have collected data from particular parts of England. These can be found at the Academy of Saint Gabriel Library (under

http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/eng1066to1300.shtml and http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/eng1300to1450.shtml, depending on whether you want 1066 to 1300 or after 1300).

In Middle English, then, we have an embarrassment of resources. Curiously Early Modern English data is somewhat harder to come by; we'll talk about that next month.

From Wreath Emeritus: Lamps

Commentary on a submission this month raised the question of the depiction of our default lamp in the SCA. Lamps in medieval times appear to have been short, flared cups, similar to the bowl area of a Champagne cup, but not as wide. They can be seen in the arms of Witwang, c.1520, in Heraldry by Bedingfeld & Gwynn-Jones. In contrast, the Society has uniformly not blazoned the type of lamp solely when the emblazon uses an Arabic lamp.

Since there does not seem to be a way to blazon the default real-world lamps with a qualifier, this month, we have reblazoned all the 'default' lamps in the Ordinary as 'Arabic lamps' and declare that the SCA-default lamp will match the real-world default. At least, it will once someone registers one.

From Wreath Emeritus: Mullets and Estoiles

Commenters this month raised the question of whether or not we should grant difference between mullets and estoiles in Society armory. In some times, in some places, they were considered interchangeable. Under our current standards regarding interchangeability, no difference should be granted. The cover letter to the June 1991 LOAR cites some evidence of their interchangeability, and we feel that it is time to once again discuss difference in these charges more thoroughly.

Therefore, commenters are asked to discuss, and to provide period evidence of, whether or not these charges should be considered equivalent for purposes of conflict, or we should continue to treat them as significantly different.

There is also evidence that the number of points on a mullet is interchangeable in period, while we grant difference in some cases. Commenters are asked to address the subject of whether or not a mullet should be a mullet and we should discontinue granting difference for the number of points on the mullet in all cases. (both in English in the late 16th century).

The following is excerpted from the July 2011 Cover Letter

From Laurel: Tag, I'm It

As many of you know, on September 1, I took over as the Laurel King of Arms. Just as a little background, I've played in the Society for only about 15 years, mostly as a herald. I took a break as a herald to become an SCA corporate officer, and then applied for this job. Now I'm here.

Over the next several years, my main goal is to keep this process running as smoothly as possible and work with Istvan, Emma and Juliana to improve it where feasible. My other major goal is to work with the Kingdoms on continuing heraldic education. I hope to find a deputy to focus on promoting heraldic education throughout the Kingdoms and to act as a resource for Kingdoms who wish to find teachers and classes in heraldry. I have already started speaking to the Kingdom Heralds about this, and we'll ramp up the search for a deputy once I get situated a little more firmly in this chair.

I would like to thank Elisabeth, twice-quondam Laurel Queen of Arms (and yes, I want to know if that makes her the Duchess of Arms). Elisabeth stepped in as interim for the Board after Olwyn completed her term, and has done a great job in keeping the College running smoothly. I would also like to thank Olwyn. Olwyn did a great job as Laurel Queen of Arms. She traveled far and wide during her tenure, even completing a heraldic visitation of Lochac. She tried to promote heraldry wherever she went.

I look forward to working with all the heralds everywhere, and hope that we can all keep having fun.

From Pelican: Which Rulers are Important Enough to Protect

Precedent about how we protect sovereign rulers has been somewhat contradictory over time. In the November 2004 Cover Letter, Laurel wrote "Sovereigns of nations and empires (Kings, Queens, Khans) are always important enough to protect."

However, there are many insignificant period nations, which disappeared

over time into the modern nation-states we know. There were, for example, over 30 taifa kingdoms in 11th century al-Andalus, over 20 kingdoms in Anglo-Saxon England at various points, over 20 kingdoms in 9th century Norway, and six major and over 20 minor kingdoms in pre-Norman Wales. Similar numbers of kingdoms could be identified in other parts of Europe as well. Given the large number of these kingdoms and their relative lack of fame, it is difficult to simply find or create lists of all these rulers of these sovereign states. Because of that problem, Laurel has rarely protected the rulers of these states unless a commenter was interested in the region and went looking for such a ruler. Moreover, on the rare occasion that such a return was made, the sovereign ruler was usually someone most people did not recognize, let alone see as important enough to protect.

Therefore, we are modifying precedent about sovereign rulers: we protect historical rulers of nations that give rise to currently existing countries (including entities like England, Castile, and Aragon) and of nations that play an important role in medieval history but did not survive (Burgundy, Scotland, the Holy Roman Empire, and the like). Sovereigns of small period states that did not give rise directly to modern countries (Deheubarth, Asturias, Valencia, Connacht, Urbino) will be protected only if the individual's fame rises to the

point that they personally are important enough to protect. This includes Italian city states and the French duchies. Similarly sovereigns of provinces or regions integrated into larger units like the Holy Roman Empire will be protected only if the individual's fame rises to the point that they personally are important enough to protect.

A similar problem exists with legendary rulers. The Gaelic Lebor Gabála Érenn alone lists over 100 legendary kings of Ireland. The Danish Gesta Danorum lists over 50 legendary kings of the Danes. Geoffrey of Monmouth lists over 75 kings of Britain before the Roman invasion in the 1st century BC. Unless a commenter is interested in checking these sources, we do not find out about these possible conflicts.

Therefore, we are modifying precedent about sovereign rulers here as well: legendary rulers, even of significant nations, will be protected only if the individual's fame rises to the point that they personally are important enough to protect.

This ruling does not address our treatment of the rulers of modern nation-states; that remains unchanged.

From Pelican: Heraldic Titles

This month, we considered the question of how we can use (and not use) patterns for heraldic titles across time and space. Under precedent created in January 2009, "we require that heraldic titles also provide documentation showing that they follow a pattern of heraldic titles in the language of the submission." This is intended to expand on that ruling to make it clear how it applies to documented patterns.

Heraldic titles began to be used in the early 14th century. Therefore titles cannot be created in languages that had fallen out of use by that time, such as Old English, Old Norse, Frankish, and the like. Their daughter languages, such as Middle English, Swedish, and French, were used to create titles and may be used in submissions.

Heraldic titles are clearly documented in English, Scots, French, Catalan, Spanish, Portuguese, German, Dutch, Norwegian, Swedish, Hungarian, and Polish (see Juliana de Luna, "Heraldic Titles from the Middle Ages and Renaissance," for more details). They are probably also found in other languages spoken within the wide area covered by those languages, including Danish, Occitan/Provencal, and various Italian languages. Interestingly, there seem to have been no heraldic titles as such in "native" Italian states, as opposed to those parts of northern and southern Italy dominated by French or Iberian overlords; however,

these foreign-dominated states include a great part of modern Italy, and it seems likely that the titles in use within those regions were written in Italian as well as the language of the overlords. The use of heraldic titles elsewhere in Eastern Europe has not been demonstrated, but sources are relatively limited.

These domains all seem to have shared a set of models for heraldic titles, deriving them from placenames (found everywhere), the names of heraldic charges (sometimes with color modifiers, found everywhere that I found more than six titles), brief mottos or desirable traits (found everywhere I that I found more than six titles), and order names (found in England, France, and Iberia; a title derived from an order badge is found in Germany as well). These patterns can be justified for any language in which heraldic titles can be found.

Other patterns for heraldic titles, like the use of family names, seem to be limited to the Anglo-French region. Those patterns that are not broadly found across Europe must be justified as plausible for an individual language.

Heraldic titles were often recorded in Latin, as well as in the vernacular. As such, Latinized titles will be registered. However, they must follow a relevant pattern: for example, Latinized titles created from family names must be created from family names found in a region that used this pattern.

From Pelican: SCA Blazonry Terms in Order Names and Heraldic Titles

We were also asked to consider whether blazonry terms used in the SCA for period charges may be used to create order names and heraldic titles when the terms themselves cannot be dated to period. This is a problem, as we do not know the period terms for some period heraldic charges. As order names were often derived from badges, it seems unfair to say that a period charge for which we have no period name cannot form the basis of an order. Therefore, the standard names used within SCA blazon for charges used in period armory and for charges compatible with period practice (that is, those charges that are not considered a step from period practice) will be allowed in order names and heraldic titles. This does not extend to blazonry terms that were not used to create order names and heraldic titles (like lines of division). While we will allow the use of out of period standard Society blazonry terms for period charges in order names, this usage will carry a step from period practice.

From Pelican: Some Name Resources (a series)

This month I'm continuing my discussion of the articles and books I most frequently use to document names from a given time and place. Having talked about Old and Middle English, we can move on to late period English.

Let me begin by saying that until relatively recently, we had fewer resources for 16th century England than for 14th century England, which is a strange state. But it's due to the biases of the published sources we use; they focus mainly on the earliest citations of a given name element (given name, surname, placename).

If you're using the print resources, Bardsley is more likely to have late period citations than Reaney and Wilson, and Mills Dictionary of London Place Names more than Ekwall or the other Mills. But the best resources for this period are not in print.

The best is our new resource: the search program for the IGI Parish Extracts, which I discussed in last month's cover letter.

However, there are several important articles online as well. For given names, I start with Julian Goodwyn's "English Names from Pre-1600 Brass

Inscriptions" (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/brasses/). It's a good source for surnames as well (most bynames by this time are inherited surnames, so that John Smith is probably not a smith and Alice Johnson's father may have been named Henry. There are a variety of articles that list a few thousand surnames from that time found at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/eng1450to1600.shtml. There's not much to choose between them (unless you're looking for a particular place), so you can just start clicking or use a search engine to look at multiple of them at once. If you do that, don't forget that a bunch of them are not housed at http://www.s-gabriel.org/!

I also find myself using British History Online

(http://www.british-history.ac.uk/Default.aspx), which includes a variety of sources about British history. Many preserve period spellings. You have to be careful, though, as some sources on this site modernize spellings; in general, you want to look at other names in the same source to make sure that elements aren't always found in the standard modern spelling.

LAUREL REGISTERED THE FOLLOWING ITEMS IN JUNE 2011

Alana of Adiantum. Name.

Adiantum is a registered branch name.

Andronikos Belisariou. Badge. Sable, on a lozenge per pale gules and Or a gryphon's head erased at the shoulder sable.

The submitter is advised to draw the erasing in a more pronounced fashion.

Anna Rijsdam Name.

Submitted as Anna Rysdam, the submitter indicated that she would prefer the spelling Rijsdam if it could be documented. Noir Licorne was able to date that spelling to 1638. Therefore, we have made that change in order to meet the submitter's request.

Aryanhwy merch Catmael notes that unmarked locative bynames like this one are rare, but that there are 15th century examples. Therefore this can be registered in the submitter's preferred form.

Dragano Sanuto da Firenze. Name and device. Sable, on a wolf sejant ululant contourny argent a fleur-de-lys vert and in chief three crescents argent.

Nice 14th century Venetian name!

The use of a wolf ululant is a step from period practice.

Francisca de Montoya. Name and device. Per fess purpure and argent, a decrescent counterchanged and in chief two mullets of eight points argent.

Nice late period Spanish name!

Isabella Mor of Three Mountains. Name and device. Or, on a dragon sejant between three hearts gules a mullet Or.

Submitted as Isabella Mor, that submission conflicts with Isobel Muire, registered in February of this year. The submitter agreed to the addition of the branch name of Three Mountains in order to register the name. We have made that change.

Three Mountains is the registered name of an SCA branch.

Lourenço de Compostella. Name.

While documented as Portuguese, the spelling Lourenço is also found in medieval Galicia, as found in El priorato benedictino de San Vicenzo de Pombeiro. The spelling Compostella is unusual, but found in the 14th and 15th centuries in CORDE; one such citation describes the arçeuispe de compostella 'archbishop of Compostella,' making it clear that the locative byname is appropriate, though it is far less common that de Santiago.

Magdalen Murdoch of Derhirst. Name change from Mairghread Murdoch.

The submitter may want to know that, while the name is fine as submitted, Magdelen Murdoch of Derehurst or Dearhurst would be a completely 16th century form.

Her previous name, Mairghread Murdoch, is retained as an alternate name.

Martin von München. Device. Per pale argent and sable, an eagle between four crosses potent two and two counterchanged.

Richenda du Jardin. Badge. Per pale bendy sinister azure, Or and argent and bendy Or, argent and azure, a bordure compony argent, azure and Or.

This submission was pended on the January 2011 LoAR to discuss whether or not it appears to be impaled armory and whether or not the low-contrast complex tinctured bordure removes the appearance of marshalling/impaling if the submission was deemed to be impaling/marshalling. The consensus was that it does not appear to be impaled armory, and we may therefore register it.

Sebastiaen des Roseaux. Name and device. Per bend azure and sable, a pile bendwise throughout between a cup and a bee argent.

Aryanhwy merch Catmael provided a 1292 citation of the byname, here spelled Rosiaus. The spelling Roseaux for that element is compatible with with late period spellings (it is in fact found in Jean Nicot's 1606 Le Thresor de la langue francoyse). Therefore it can be registered.

This name mixes a Dutch given name and a French byname, which is a step from period practice. A completely late period French name would be Sebastien des Roseaux.

Talia Soranzo da Chioggia. Name and device. Per pale gules and sable, a winged sea-unicorn and in chief three fleurs-de-lys Or.

Ursel Lindenhayn. Name and device. Per fess argent and azure, a linden tree eradicated and a bordure embattled counterchanged.

The submitter requests authenticity for German, near Koln. This is a nice 15th century German name; we cannot confirm whether either element was in use near Koln.

Wenna of Saint Ives. Name.

Yvette Coeur. Device. Per fess purpure and vert, on a heart argent in pale a triquetra vert and a triquetra inverted purpure conjoined.

No items from An Tir were returned in June 2011.

LAUREL REGISTERED THE FOLLOWING ITEMS IN JULY 2011

Adelaide de Honfleur. Name and device. Per fess sable and gules, a hind at gaze argent and three roses argent barbed and seeded proper.

Submitted as Adelaide de Honfleur, the name was changed at kingdom to Adelaida de Honfleu_ to match the documentation they could find. Elmet was able to find Adelaide and Honfleur in 16th century France, making the name registerable in its submitted form. We believe both spellings to also be reasonable for an earlier period (as the submitter expressed some interest in an earlier form), but could not directly confirm them. We have restored the name to its submitted form.

The submitter has permission to conflict with the device of Aldgytha of Ashwood, Per saltire gules and sable, four roses argent barbed and seeded proper.

Antonio Morosini. Name and device. Sable, a bend purpure fimbriated and in sinister chief a Maltese cross argent.

Nice 15th century Venetian name!

Please advise the submitter to draw the cross larger to better fit the available space.

Aquaterra, Barony of. Order name Order of the Blue Kraken and badge association. Or, a kraken and a bordure nebuly azure.

This item was pended in order to allow discussion on how to deal with the modern names that we use in SCA blazonry for period charges, when the names themselves are not attested in period. As order names were often derived from badges, it seems unfair to say that a period charge for which we have no period name cannot form the basis of an order.

Therefore, we rule that blazonry terms used in the SCA for charges used in period armory and for charges compatible with period practice (that is, those charges that are not considered a step from period practice) will be allowed in order names and heraldic titles. This does not extend to blazonry terms that were not used to create order names and heraldic titles (like lines of division).

While we will allow this practice, it will be considered a step from period practice. Since this submission has only one step from period practice, it may be registered.

This item was pended from the March 2011 Letter of Acceptances and Returns; the badge was registered on that letter.

Bryson MacLachlan. Name and device. Per bend azure and sable all estencely, a tyger rampant argent.

Bryson was documented as the submitter's legal given name. It can also be constructed as a 16th century given name, derived from the surname Bryson dated to 1524 in Reaney and Wilson (s.n. Brice). We note that Edelweiss was able to find Brysan as an English masculine given name in 1576.

Cassia Machiavelli. Name.

Cassia is the name of a Greek Orthodox saint recognized in the Middle Ages (mentioned in a text translated in Christian iconography: or, The history of Christian art in the Middle Ages); we do not know when her cult spread to Italy. However, this is sufficient to allow the name to be registerable, as it has at most one step from period practice for mixing a given name of a Greek saint with an Italian family name (if the saint's cult could be documented in period Italy, the name would have none).

Daniel the Broc. Name and device. Per chevron vert and azure, a chevron between a brock argent masked sable and a water-bouget argent.

Submitted as Daniel the Broc, the name was changed at kingdom to Daniel_Broc on the basis of forms they could find. But Reaney and Wilson (s.n. Broc) date Joel le Broc to 1222, making a wholly English the Broc plausible. Therefore we have restored it to the submitted form.

We are blazoning the badger as a brock to preserve the cant.

Francesca Morosini. Name.

István Gy{o"}ri. Name.

The byname is plausible for c. 1600:

Kolosvari Arpadne Julia says:

Kázmér s.n. Gy{o"}ri has, among others, 1592 Györy Gergl and Györy Balynth, along with 1601 Valentinus Gióri... the long ö ({o"}) does occur in very late period and gray period citations (e.g. 1646 Stephani Gye{o"}ri), but it's rare, and it's more like an orthographic variant than a separate letter marking a length distinction.

In September of 2009, "the use of a Hungarian given name and a Hungarian byname in the order <given name> + <byname>" was ruled a step from period practice. As this is the only step from period practice, the name can be registered.

Jennet MacLachlan of Loch Fyne. Name change from holding name Jennet of Myrtle Holt.

Mairghread of Wastekeep. Name and device. Azure, a seahorse Or maintaining a pearl and on a chief argent three Thor's hammers sable.

Wastekeep is the registered name of an SCA branch.

Mergret Dyer. Device. Azure, a garb Or and on a chief raguly argent three bees sable marked Or.

Please instruct the submitter to draw fewer and larger traits on the raguly chief in the future.

Octavia Laodice. Name and device (see RETURNS for badge). Vert, in pale a county coronet argent sustained by a crab Or.

Green Staff was able to provide a classical example of Laodice following a feminized Roman nomen (Volusia Laodice). Therefore, this combination is quite reasonable and does not carry a step from period practice.

Were the coronet not sustained, this device may have run into the problem of blurring the distinction between a group of co-primary charges and two separate groups, one primary and one secondary. A group of co-primary charges should be balanced around the center of the field, not offset as this depiction is. The submitter is advised to draw the charges lower on the field in the future.

The submitter is a Countess, and thus entitled to the display of a coronet.

Peregrine Falconer the Navigator. Name and device. Per pale Or and argent, a brown falcon proper belled and jessed gules between three compass stars sable.

There is a step from period practice for the use of compass stars.

Peregrine Falconer the Navigator. Badge. (Fieldless) A falcon's leg couped a la quise belled and jessed argent charged with a compass star elongated to base sable.

There is a step from period practice for the use of a compass star.

Siobhán Gharbh inghean Mhaoil Dúin. Name and device. Azure semy of estoiles, a chevron and in base a wolf ululant argent.

Submitted as Siobhán Gharbh inghean Mháel Dúin, the patronymic byname mixes Early Modern Gaelic inghean with Middle Gaelic Mháel Dúin. Lingual mixes in a single name element (like a patronymic byname) are not allowed. As the rest of the name is Early Modern Gaelic, we are changing the byname to the wholly Early Modern Gaelic inghean Mhaoil Dúin in order to register it.

Please instruct the submitter to draw the estoiles larger in the future, to avoid them being confused with snowflakes.

The use of a wolf ululant is a step from period practice.

Susan de Wynter. Name and device. Azure, a horse passant and on a chief argent three escarbuncles azure.

The name was documented as English, but de Wynter is not a correctly formed English byname. Commenters found it as a Dutch byname, so it is registerable (and Susan is found there as well, making this an entirely Dutch name).

Suvia filia Heriberti. Badge. (Fieldless) A griffin statant to sinister drinking from a goblet azure.

The goblet is a maintained charge and does not count for difference.

LAUREL RETURNED THE FOLLOWING ITEM IN JULY 2011

Octavia Laodice. Badge. (Fieldless) On a county coronet vert a bezant.

The roundel in this submission appears to be the sort of artistic decoration one would expect to see on a crown; therefore it is not significant enough to count as a true tertiary charge.

Considered as (Fieldless) A county coronet vert, this conflicts with the Society regalia (Tinctureless) A coronet embattled. Registered regalia is protected both as regalia and as a badge. The January 1999 LoAR Cover Letter gives a good example:

A pelican in its piety is protected as both a badge and as regalia, and so only members of the order of the Pelican may wear or display it.

While the submitter is entitled by rank to wear or display a county coronet, or to include a coronet as a charge in her armory which is otherwise clear of conflict, she may not register armory that conflicts with registered regalia.

 

LIONS BLOOD ACTIONS

In general, these items are from the August 2011 Internal Letter.

The following items have been forwarded to Laurel and are tentatively scheduled to be decided on in December 2011

An Tir, Kingdom of - Pomegranate Herald Extraordinary, Heraldic Title Transfer.

An Tir, Kingdom of - Order of the Shattered Spear, Order Name Transfer.

Elisabeth de Rossignol - Pomegranate Herald Extraordinary, Heraldic Title Acceptance.

Luciano Foscari - new name change and new badge: Fieldless, a monkey statant collared and chained vert.

Magnus Eisenberg (see RETURNS) for device - new name.

Michel Evers - new name.

Tir Righ, Principality of - Order of the Shattered Spear, Order Name Acceptance.

 

Lions Blood has returned the following items for further work.

Magnus Eisenberg - new device, Vert, a chevron inverted Or between a gauntlet sustaining a Latin cross and two Latin crosses argent. 

This device is returned for violating RfS VIII.3, Armorial Identifiability: "Elements must be used in a design so as to preserve their individual identifiability." Commenters could not identify the gauntlet as such; a gauntlet in period heraldry would be drawn so as to show both the 'fist' and 'wrist' portions. 

Additionally, we strongly encourage the submitter to draw a thicker chevron when resubmitting.

1: Alan ap Neel - New Badge

(Fieldless) On a dragon's head couped gules, a pheon argent.

The submitter's branch is Aquaterra. His name was registered in July 2009 via An Tir.

2: Eilaf Spjalbođason - New Name

• Submitter desires a male name.
• Client requests authenticity for Norse Dane of Northern Danelaw between 9th and 11th centuries.

The submitter's branch is Coeur du Val. He accepts all changes, cares most about spelling, and desires a male name. He asks that his name be made authentic for language/culture: 'Norse Dane of Northern Danelaw between 9th and 11th centuries.'

<Eilaf> is documented from the 'Viking Answer Lady' website (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml#e), s.n. <Eileifr, Eiláfr>, which identifies <Eileifr, Eiláfr> as 'fairly common in Norway after 1270. Found in Danish runic inscription as <ailaif> and frequently in other Danish sources... Anglo-Scandinavian forms include <Elaf, Eilaf>....' 

The website sites Geirr Bassi p. 9 sn <Eileifr>; Gillian Fellows-Jensen Scandiavian Personal Names in Lincolnshire and Yorkshire, pp. 74-75, 343, 350 s.nn. <Eileifr, Eiláfr>; and Cleasby and Vigfusson's An Icelandic-English Dictionary p. 381 s.v. leif.

<Spjalbođason> is documented from the same source, which says "Found in Old Swedish as Spiælbodhi. From OW.Norse *spjallbođi....' and cites Cleasby & Vigfusson p. 583 s.v. spjall.

3: Elianor le Bergiere - New Name Change

Old Item: Cordelia Talbot, to be released.

• Submitter desires a female name.
• No major changes.

The submitter's branch is Madrone. She will not accept major changes, cares most about spelling, and desires a female name. Should this name be registered, she would like her previous name, Cordelia Talbot, to be released.

<Elianor> is documented via S. Gabriel report 1787, which identifies <Elianor> as occurring in Norman England between the 12th and 15th centuries and cites Withycombe and Dunkling and Gosling's New American Dictionary of First Names.

<le Bergiere> is documented via S. Gabriel report 2579, which identifies <le Bergier> (note lack of terminal E) as occurring in France from the 13th c. to 1460 and cites Dauzat & Morlet.

NB from Boar: consulting heralds, please remember that we do NOT need copies of S. Gabriel reports (articles, yes; reports, no).

3: Elianor le Bergiere - New Device Change

Per pale and per chevron embattled vert, sable and argent, two talbots passant reguardant argent and an an oak tree blasted and eradicated sable

Old Item: Vert, two talbot's heads erased argent and on a point pointed embattled argent an open book vert, to be released.

Should this device be registered, she would like her previous device, Vert, two talbot's heads erased argent and on a point pointed embattled argent an open book vert, registered January 2003 via An Tir under the name <Cordelia Talbot>, to be released.

4: Elianor le Bergiere - New Badge

(Fieldless) An arrow surmounted by a hunting horn argent

The submitter's branch is Madrone.

5: Elianor le Bergiere - New Badge

(Fieldless) An oak tree blasted and eradicated sable the trunk surmounted by a talbot passant argent

The submitter's branch is Madrone.

6: Liutgard of Luxeuil - New Name Change

Old Item: Elaine de Montgris, to be retained.

• Submitter desires a female name.
• No changes.

The submitter's branch is Adiantum. She accepts no changes and desires a female name. Should this name be registered, she would like her previous name, <Elaine de Montgris>, registered Nov 1991 via An Tir, to be retained as an alternate.

<Liutgard> is dated between the 7th and 9th centuries in "Early Germanic Names from Primary Sources" by Nicolaa de Bracton of Leicester (http://nicolaa5.tripod.com/articles/german.html), spelled <Liutgarde>. 

Evidence for dropping the terminal /e/ can be found in "Names from the Merovingian Line" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/other/merovence.html), where we find the -gard element without the final /e/ in the feminine name <Wisigard>. More demonstratively, the name <Ingund> appears in Nicolaa's article as <Ingunde> and in Aryanhwy's as <Ingund>.

<of Luxeuil> is intended to be a locative byname meaning 'of the abbey of Luxeuil.' This abbey was founded in 585 and flourished throughout our period (http://ww.newadvent.org/cathen/09467a.htm).

6: Liutgard of Luxeuil - New Badge

A red heart with gold hart's horns on the top.

7: Lucrezia Helena Zancani - New Name Change

Old Item: , to be released.

• Submitter desires a female name.
• No major changes.
• Language most important.
• Culture most important.

The submitter's branch is Dragon's Mist. She will not accept major changes, cares most about language/culture (not specified, presumably Italian/Venetian?), and desires a female name. While this is specified as a name change with the old item to be released, her previous name is not listed on the form.

<Lucrezia> and <Helena> are both documented in Juliana de Luna's article 'Names from Sixteenth Century Venice' (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/16thcvenice.html)

NB from Boar: the article also states "There are no clear examples of double given names for women (though the woman labeled as Maria Poselina may be an example)."

<Zancani> is documented to 16th c. Venice from http://coblaith.net/Names/ItSur/ZA.html, where it is spelled <Zanchani>

in the table; however, the spelling <Zancani> occurs in the 16th c. Italian armorial at http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0000/bsb00001423/images/index.html?fip=193.174.98.30&id=00001423&seite=131.

7: Lucrezia Helena Zancani - New Device

Sable, a unicorn passant and a tree fesswise, in chief three mullets of eight points argent, and a base wavy, barry wavy argent and azure.

8: Onóra inghean Chormaic - New Device Change

Argent, a Phoenix purpure and on a chief azure, three lilies Or

Old Item: Per bend sinister sable and argent, a decrescent argent and a compass star elongated to base purpure, to be retained.

The submitter's branch is Tymberhavene. Her name was registered in October 2008 via Artemesia. If this device is registered, she would like her previous device, Per bend sinister sable and argent, a decrescent argent and a compass star elongated to base purpure, to be retained as a badge.

9: Symmonne Deccarrete de Villette - New Badge

Fieldless, a natural cat statant reguardant tail sufflexed Azure.

The following note was included on the submission form:

I understand that specifying tail position is not necessary, however I prefer that it be retained in the emblazon. 

While "tail sufflexed" is a SFPP and the tail position does not affect conflict, the period specification of 'cowardly' indicate that the tail position has relevance. 

Without specifying the tail position, even with the 'note to artist' on this form, the Knowne World at large will not see this form and will not be aware that the tail position is important to the submitter and the blazon. 

NB from Boar: no documentation was included re: the period specification referenced above.

 

10: VOLK THE GREY - New Device

Vert, a wolf ululant and four mullets of five points and in chief three mullets of five points, argent

The submitter's branch is Glymm Mere. Although the form inidicates that his name would be submitted with this device, no such paperwork was included, and no record of the name was found in the OandA.

Thus ends the October 2011 Internal Letter of Intent.

I remain, yours in service,

Rhieinwylydd verch Einion Llanaelhaearn

Boar Pursuivant

An Tir OSCAR counts: 1 New Name, 3 New Name Changes, 2 New Devices, 2 New Device Changes, 5 New Badges. This gives 13 new items. Resub Counts: There are no resubmissions on this letter.

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