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Tir Righ IL dated 2011-08-07 (Jump to Submissions)

Greetings unto the College of Heralds!

Commentary on this letter is due Sept 6.

Red Flame Herald meetings:

· The August IL will be discussed Sunday September 11 in the Shire of False Isle.

· The September IL will be discussed Sunday October 9 in the Shire of False Isle.

Please email redflame@tirrigh.org for the exact time and location of the meetings.

From Red Flame:

Thank you to all those who have been commenting on the Tir Righ letters. Your comments are valuable and much appreciated.

Once again I would like to encourage other Tir Righ heralds to consider joining our commentary team. You do not need to be an expert. Less experienced heralds are welcome to come and learn. Anyone who may be interested in providing commentary on these letters, or who would like more information, should contact myself or Silver Yale.

Alicia Red Flame

Red Flame Actions:

The following submissions have been forwarded to Laurel:

· Aine inghean Reamoinn mhic Neill - New Name and New Device: Quarterly purpure and sable, in bend a wolf statant and an increscent, on a chief argent three roses purpure barbed and seeded proper.

· Aine inghean Reamoinn mhic Neill - New Badge: (Fieldless) A demi-wolf courant erased argent.

· Anicia de Dore - New Name and New Device: Per bend sinister wavy azure and erminois, a bend wavy counterchanged and in chief a hawk's lure Or.

· Chiara Stella - New Device: Per pale Or and azure, in bend sinister two mullets of eight interlocking mascles counterchanged.

· Kallikleas Lysias - Resubmitted Name.

· Sage MacLeod of Canna - New Name and New Device: Argent, a brown owl proper perched upon and maintaining a threaded needle bendwise sable, and in chief three hursts of pine trees vert.

The following submissions have been returned by Red Flame Herald for further work:

· Malie Rennick - Device: Per chevron azure and Or, a raven contourney wings elevated and addorsed, grasping in it's talon a shuttle sable.

This conflicts with Sebastian Johann Stroh, reg. 5/83 via the East: "Argent, vêtu ployé gules a hawk striking to sinister sable." There is one difference for changing the field, but nothing for posture, as the submitted raven is essentially rising/striking.

1: Claudia Soerette Nicholerii - New Name

• Submitter desires a female name.

The submitter will allow all changes and only expressed preference for a female name. She would prefer the full name, however says the middle name can be dropped if necessary.

Claudia is found as a female given name in 14th-16th C Names from Valais, Switzerland by Sara L. Uckelman http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/swiss/valais.html. This article dates the three occurrences to 1544, 1557, and 1585.

Claudia is also the submitter's legal first name.

Soerette is found as a female given name in Jewish Given Names Found in Les Noms Des Israélites en France by Sara L. Uckelman http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/jewish/levy/sara.html as a variation of Sara dated to 1457.

Nicholerii is found as a surname in 14th-16th C Names from Valais, Switzerland by Sara L. Uckelman http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/swiss/valais.html with one instance dated to 1401.

Copies of all articles were included.

There are precedents for double given names:

·"double-given names, sometimes hyphenated, are occasionally found in French names" [Guillaume Jean Pierre de Mortain, LoAR 01/2005, Outlands-A)"

·"A question was raised in commentary regarding the use of double given names in period Jewish names. While not the norm, the use was not rare, and therefore we see no reason not to allow it. (Yaakov Avraham ben Obadiah, 11/98 p. 7)"

1: Claudia Soerette Nicholerii - New Device

Per bend bevilled argent and azure.

2: Sigehere Skerebaerd - New Name

• Submitter desires a male name.
• No major changes.

The submitter desires a male name and will allow no major changes. He has not marked any of the tick boxes indicating preference for language, culture, authenticity, etc. but did include a "persona summary" indicating his persona was born in mid 8th C Frisia and <story skipped> ended up living near the English town of Shoreham, Sussex. I include this in case it aids commenters should the name need modification and where there are alternatives.

The submitter included the following documentation:

Kees Nieuwenhuijsen Names in the Low Lands before 1150 http://www.keesn.nl/names/. "This website presents and overview of person's names in the Low Land in the early Middle Ages. The compilation is derived from primary sources..."

Sigher: http://www.keesn.nl/names/en4_list_m.htm (list of given male names). This list gives "Seger" and "Sigher" as alternate spellings of "Siger" (combination of name parts "Sig" and "her") with an occurrence of 12 for the three variations.

Sigehere: http://www.keesn.nl/names/en3_rules.htm (Composition Rules for Germanic Names) states in the section on Lengthening and shortening: "While composing a name one could insert a letter or two, in order to make it sound smoother".

Skerebaerd: http://www.keesn.nl/names/en4_list_nick.htm (Nicknames) lists "Scerebart / Skerebaerd" in the section on Middle Dutch nicknames and listed as being from the 12th century.

Sigehere also documented from Regia Anglorum website http://www.regia.org/members/names.htm which "is a list of authentic names for persona's in Regia Anglorum". This explains how Saxon names were created. It include "Sighere" in the list of Male Saxon's Names and also includes a list of elements of Saxon names:

First elements of male names: Sige

Second elements of male names: Here

St. Gabriel report 1783 http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?1783+0 states <Sigehere> was a relately common Anglo-Saxon (Old English) name.

2: Sigehere Skerebaerd - New Device

Argent Masoned Sable, An Alphyn Passant Purpure and on a Chief Embattled Purpure Three Martlets Displayed Argent.

Thus ends the August 2011 Internal Letter of Intent.

In service to the Principality of Tir Righ and to the College of Heralds,

Alicia le Wilfulle, OL

Red Flame Herald

redflame@tirrigh.org

An Tir OSCAR counts: 2 New Names, 2 New Devices. This gives 4 new items. Resub Counts: There are no resubmissions on this letter.

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