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Tir Righ IL dated 2011-06-05 (Jump to Submissions)

Greetings unto the College of Heralds!

Commentary on this letter is due July 5.

Red Flame Herald meetings:

· The May IL will be discussed on June 11 at Tir Righ Coronet in the Shire of Danescombe. Time will be posted at Herald's Point.

· The June IL is scheduled for discussion on July 9 at The Stranded Mermaid in the Shire of False Isle. Due to the number of submissions on this letter we will likely only be able to cover some of them.

· The July IL will be in early August; specified to be announced at a later date.

From Silver Yale:


Lots happening in the past month.

I am very pleased to announce that the Tir Righ College of Heralds has a new Education Deputy. HL Doireann Dechti has done a wonderful job and deserves a long overdue rest. Or at least one less office to worry about… I tell ya, she works too hard this one. I will miss having you with me Dori but look forward to sitting with you at a future event and maybe talk of things besides Heraldry (I hear there is such a thing).

Please join me in a heartfelt HUZZAH to our outgoing Education Deputy and help me welcome Lady Alivia Spencer who has graciously accepted the position. Alivia is a relatively new Herald but with her energy and enthusiasm I have no doubt she will do a fine job.

With the numbers of submissions to our College increasing (YAY!), it's been decided to create a new Heraldic position. This position will be mirrored to the An Tir Sinister Gauntlet position, in charge of notifications to submitters, as a deputy to our Red Flame Herald. This job was initially part of the Silver Sparkes duties but it's become apparent the workload warrants creating another position. Due to the overwhelming response received for the Silver Sparkes position, one of the applicants was offered this new position based on her real life experience and I'm happy to announce that HL Geira inn harfagra has accepted! She will be assuming the responsibilities mid to late June after working with myself during the next month so she's not thrown into the deep end so to speak.

Also, the deadline passed on May 31st for applications and I am pleased to announce that our new Silver Sparkes Pursuivant is HL Shareef Musiqi al'rashid beit al'theaib <deep breath> jawas aswad dude al'zimmurrud (I hope I got that right). He is now officially the Administrative Deputy to our Red Flame Herald and the first point of contact in the submission process. He comes into the position highly recommended and with exceptional Admin abilities. This means we will soon have a new address to send submissions to. Any submissions sent in to the old address will be taken care of so not to worry if anyone has sent them in already or is in the process of sending them. The Heralds site will be updated with the new address very soon. In case anyone still doesn't know, our website is located here http://www.tirrigh.org/heralds/.

Please help me welcome Geira and Shareef to the Principality College and a huge HUZZAH to the amazing people who have all contacted me wanting to learn more and lend a hand.

With Alicia Red Flame, Giera <Heraldic Title Pending>, and Shareef Silver Sparkes, our Submissions team is complete!

A date has been reserved for our next Principality Heraldic and Scribal Symposium, May 25th - May 27th 2012. Information will be going out soon on accepting bids. Keep an eye on the Tir Righ lists. As this will be Alivia's first as our Education deputy, I will be working closely with her and document the entire process for future Symposiums as I'm also creating a Silver Yale handbook with each positions duties documented to pass onto the next Silver Yale.

And lastly, we are still accepting applications for our Field and Town Cry Herald. This position comes with the perk of being able to have a say in what the title will be as this position is still without one. Please contact me at herald@tirrigh.org for further info.

In Service,

Caitrina Silver Yale

"Quarterly gules and sable, a winged fox sejant argent."

From Red Flame:

I'm very pleased to see so many submissions on this letter. I hope this is a sign of things to come. I welcome my two new deputies, Geira and Shareef, and look forward to working with both of them.

Thank you to all who comment on Tir Righ's Internal Letter. I encourage other Tir Righ's heralds to join the commenting team. This is a great place to practice your book heraldry skills. Please let myself and/or Silver Yale know if you are interested in commenting.

Alicia Red Flame

Red Flame Actions:

The following submissions have been forwarded to Laurel:

· John de Rokyngham - Resub Badge: (Fieldless) A cross patonce Or surmounted by a roundel quarterly argent and gules.

· Joye de Beumund - New Name and New Device: Argent, on a bend cotised vert three martlets argent.

The following submissions have been returned by Red Flame Herald:

· Lionsdale, Shire of - New Acceptance of Armory Transfer: Sable, mulletty Or, a lymphad in full sail reversed Or, charged upon the sail with a laurel wreath vert, and on a chief Or three towers sable.

· Eisenmarch, Shire of - New Armory Transfer: Sable, mulletty Or, a lymphad in full sail reversed Or, charged upon the sail with a laurel wreath vert, and on a chief Or three towers sable.

Because Eisenmarch is no longer an active branch, the Seneschal of Tir Righ submitted the letter of transfer of their behalf, and Lionsdale's letter of acceptance also listed the Tir Righ Seneschal as the transferring authority. However, Section B.1 "Armory Registered by the College of Arms" in the Administrative Handbook states:

In the case of a defunct Society branch, release may be granted by joint consent of the Crown and Kingdom Seneschal after appropriate notice in the newsletter of the kingdom in which the branch was located.

Therefore, the transfer letter from Eisenmarch must be signed by Their Majesties An Tir and the Kingdom Seneschal. These two submissions have been pended until new letters have been received and appropriate notice posted.

The following submissions have been returned by Red Flame Herald for further work:

· None

1: Aine inghean Reamoinn mhic Neill - New Name

• Submitter desires a female name.
• Language most important.
• Culture (Irish 1200-1500) most important.
• Meaning (Aine daughter of Raymond of Clan Niall) most important.

The submitter has indicated that she cares most about meaning and language/culture, specifically "Irish 1200-1500 Aine daughter of Raymond of Clan Naill".

She will accept all changes.

Aine inghean [name] mhic Neill is documented from Academy of Saint Gabriel report 2691 (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?2691+0) which discusses the name Aine inghean Uilliam mhic Ne/ill for time period between 1200 and 1450. (This was a response to a query this submitter sent several years ago.)

<Aine>, usually spelled <A/ine> (where the slash represents an acute accent over the preceding letter), is a fine Irish Gaelic name; we find it recorded several times in your period in Ireland [1]. ...

The byname <inghean Uilliam> means 'daughter of Uilliam'. Patronymics, or bynames based on your father's name, were used literally in Gaelic in your period. ...

The byname element <mhic Ne/ill> indicated very different things in Ireland and Scotland during your period. In Ireland, it was understood as 'female member of the mac Ne/ill clan' ... (<Ne/ill is the genitive form of <Niall>.) ...

In summary, <A/ine inghean Uilliam mhic Ne/ill> is a fine Irish Gaelic woman's name for your period. ...

[1] Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Feminine Names" (WWW: Academy of S. Gabriel, 2000-2002). http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/

Reamoinn is documented from Academy of Saint Gabriel report 2248 (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?2248+0)

<Re/amonn> (<e/> represents <e> with an accent over it) is an Irish borrowing of the Anglo-Norman given name <Reimund>, i.e. <Raymond>. The Gaelic form appears as early as 1361 and was used through the 16th century [5, 6, 7]. While some sources in your period preserved the earlier spelling <Remann>, we believe <Re/amonn> is more typical of your period [7, 8].

The Gaelic phrase meaning "son of Re/amonn" is <mac Re/amoinn>, where

<Re/amoinn> is the genitive form of <Re/amonn> [9]. (The extra [i] in <Re/amoinn> puts it into the possessive form, like the <'s> in English <John's>.) ...

<Dubhgall mac Re/amoinn> is a fine 14th century Irish name. ...

[5] Cournane, Vibeke & Tummers, op. cit., entries 1361.7, 1536.32

[6] O/ Corra/in & Cournane, op. cit.. v. 3 entry M1361.4, v. 5 entry M1521.2, v. 6 entry M1598.10

http://www.ucc.ie/celt/online/G100005C (v.3)

http://www.ucc.ie/celt/online/G100005E (v.5)

http://www.ucc.ie/celt/online/G100005F (v.6)

[7] O/ Corra/in & Maguire, op.cit., s.n. Re/mann.

[8] O/Corrain & Cournane, op. cit., v. 4 entries M1477.5, M1484.5, M1485.17, M1494.7, M1495.15, M1496.1,M1498.3.

[9] Woulfe, Patrick, _Sloinnte Gaedheal is Gall: Irish Names and Surnames_ (Kansas City: Irish Genealogical Foundation). s.n. Mac Re/amoinn

1: Aine inghean Reamoinn mhic Neill - New Device

Quarterly purpure and sable, in bend a wolf statant and an increscent, on a chief argent three roses purpure barbed and seeded proper.

2: Aine inghean Reamoinn mhic Neill - New Badge

(Fieldless) A demi-wolf courant erased argent.

3: Anicia de Dore - New Name

• Submitter desires a female name.

The submitter allows all changes and expressed no preference other than that the name is female.

Anicia: 14th Century Worcestershire Feminine Names (1346) by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman) http://heraldry.sca.org/names/english/femworc14.html

- one instance of Anicia

De Dore: A Dictionary of English Surnames by Reaney & Wilson s.n. Dore provides example "John de Dore" dated to 1255.

3: Anicia de Dore - New Device

Per bend sinister azure and erminois, a bend wavy counterchanged and in chief a hawk's lure Or.

4: Chiara Stella - New Device

Per pale Or and azure, in bend sinister two mullets of eight interlocking mascles counterchanged.

Name was registered on the March 2011 LoAR.

Her previous submission Per pale Or and azure, in sinister canton eight mascles interlaced in annulo Or, a pair of flaunches counterchanged was returned in kingdom December 2010 with the following comments:

This device is returned for violating RfS XI.3 Marshalling. This armory appears to impale "Or, flaunches azure" with "Azure, eight mascles interlaced in annulo between flaunches Or". Were the mascles on both halves of the field, this would avoid the appearance of marshalling. In addition, the mascles are in a semi-unblazonable orientation and come dangerously close to the appearance of a snowflake, which has been banned in SCA armory. On resubmission, the submitter should be discouraged from coloring in the forms in highlighter, as it does not hold up well over time. Recommended markers are Crayola Classic non-washable markers or Rose Art.

This is a redesign.

5: Kallikleas Lysias - Resub Name

• Submitter desires a male name.
• No major changes.
• Sound (first name starting with "Kallik") most important.

His previous submission Kallik Lyceas was returned on the March 2011 LoAR:

Kallik Lyceas. Name.

This submission is based on a misreading of the data in the LGPN. The form Kallik- is a truncated version of multiple longer names, like Kallikles and Kallikrates; we know that the first was used in the later Byzantine empire. The shortened version is not registerable, as there is no evidence it was used as a name (it's literally just the first six letters of a name). We would change the given name to one of the documented forms, but this would be a major change, which the submitter did not allow.

Lycias, or as it is more commonly transcribed Lysias, is a Greek given name. In a Greek context, it would need to be placed in the genitive case; it could be found in a Latinized context in the unmodified form. We know that it continued in use into the first century, as a Claudius Lysias appears in the Bible (Acts 21-24). Such a Latinized name can be combined with the Greek

given name, but the combination is a step from period practice. A completely Latinized form would be Callicles Lysias.

Kallikleas is found in the Lexicon of Greek Personal Names (http://www.lgpn.ox.ac.uk/database/lgpn.php) with 13 names listed from Volume 3b. (copies included)

Lysias This is the spelling suggested in the LoAR return.

6: Malie Rennick - New Device

Per chevron azure and Or, a raven contourney wings elevated and addorsed, grasping in it's talon a shuttle sable.

Name was registered in August 2010.

Previously submitted on the An Tir April 2010 letter (http://antirheralds.org/oscar/index.php?action=100&loi=180) as Per chevron azure and Or, a raven grasping in its talon a shuttle sable, it was returned in kingdom:

The device is returned for redrawing. This shuttle matches neither of the examples of a shuttle in the PicDic, as it is too thin on its edges, not thick enough at the top and bottom, and not the correct shape. No documentation was provided that the type of shuttle depicted here existed in period. In addition, the raven is lacking any internal detailing to know where the shuttle ends and the raven's talon begins.

The overall design is the same as the previous submission but the raven and shuttle have both been redrawn and show more detail.

7: Saige McLeod of Canna - New Name

• Submitter desires a female name.
• No major changes.
• Language most important.
• Culture most important.

The submitter indicates that she will not accept major changes, that she wishes a female name and that she cares most about language and/or culture (not specified).

The submitted documentation for the first two parts of the name consist of a facebook thread between the submitter and Silver Yale (printed copy included). I will include the most important points (bold text not in original):

  • The submitter prefers the name "Sage" but has only found documentation for "Saige"

  • Saige is found in Women's Names in the First Half of 16th Century Wales: Given Names http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/welshWomen16/given.html (Note from Red Flame: no printed copy was included but this document by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn is also available from the no-photocopy source http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/welshfem16/given.html and shows one instance of Saige.)

  • "In all the Scottish books that I read, they spell it MacLeod. I couldn't find when they changed it to Mc. But I'm fine with MacLeod. In the same book it shows a map of where all the MacLeod's lived but they only go back as far as 1547 and before that I don't believe they kept records."

  • "Canna is a small island that still exists today. Canna, UK."

  • "There were MacLeods (according to the books) on the top islands, Skye, North Uist, and Rum and Canna is in the middle right beside Soay."

  • "I prefer McLeod to MacLeod if we can do that. MacLeod is a second choice."

  • "Looks like there have been people on that island it has been called Canna since 321-597 AD"
  • The submitter included printouts from two websites:

    The Road to the Isles: Isle of Canna http://www.road-to-the-isles.org.uk/canna.html. The only historical note on this page is "Canna has many sites of archaeological interest, including nine scheduled monuments, and has links to the Neolithic, Columban and Viking eras.

    Canna News which discusses an event celebrating 18th C poets. No URL was included but I found it at http://www.nts.org.uk/Property/Canna/News/1312.

    7: Saige McLeod of Canna - New Device

    No blazon was included.

    Thus ends the June 2011 Internal Letter of Intent.

    In service to the Principality of Tir Righ and to the College of Heralds,

    Alicia le Wilfulle, OL

    Red Flame Herald


    An Tir OSCAR counts: 3 New Names, 5 New Devices, 1 New Badge. This gives 9 new items. Resub counts: 1 Resub Name. This is a total of 1 resubmission on this letter, for a total of 10 actions.

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