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An Tir IL dated 2011-04-13 (Jump to Submissions)

Unto Anthony Black Lion, Elizabeth Lions Blood, and the esteemed heralds from An Tir and elsewhere to whom this missive comes, Rhieinwylyd Boar sends April showers! Keep an eye out next month for the May flowers. ;)

Commentary on this letter is due May 15, 2011.


March Letter - Saturday, April 23 in the Shire of Tymberhavene. The site is the Coos Bay Eagles Aerie #538, 568 2nd Street, Coos Bay, OR.  Site opens at Noon, closes at 7pm.  At 7PM the Eagles will welcome any meeting attendees as guests for Karaoke from 7-11PM. Crash space is available- contact Brendan Æstel.

April Letter - Sunday, May 22 at Crown Tourney in Wastekeep.


Unto the An Tir College of Heralds does Elizabeth Lions Blood send greetings!

I hope you enjoyed the silliness that was the April 1 LoI - do rest assured those submissions will not be put on any official letter to Laurel. They are, I hope, a learning experience for newer heralds and serve as a way to show that yes, even names that seem modern can be documented and hopefully exposed folks to new sources for documentation. If you ever have an idea for what should go on to an April 1 letter, please let my successor know so that they can put together a fun exercise like that.

This letter is being published later than usual so folks had time to look at the April 1 letter and also to gather some information for a few brand new submissions that were promised due to error on my part. The meeting in May will be on the Sunday of May Crown, since the weekend after is both a large event for my local Barony and a day-long rehearsal for me, and so there should be four weeks still for commentary to be generated. Please comment early and don't be afraid to ask questions if you need to. Remember we are all learning and your questions may also help other people to learn.

Three cheers for Earc MacFithil, Mountain Edge Pursuivant, and Meadhbha inghean Bhrain Mhuilleoir, Argent Scroll Herald, for their induction into the Order of the Jambe de Lion at Mountain Edge Defenders April 2. Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!

Thank you, again, to everyone who comments on the letter. You make this job very, very easy. Meetings, while a lovely social exercise and great learning opportunities, aren't critical to publish external letters anymore, thanks to all of you. It has allowed us to get together, teach each other, and remind ourselves that heraldry is fun and should always remain fun no matter what job it is you are doing.

In very joyful service,

Lady Elizabeth Turner de Carlisle, GdS

Lions Blood Herald


The following is excerpted from the January 2011 Laurel Letter.

From Laurel: Applications for The Sovereign Positions

We would like to remind all interested parties that the deadline for applications for the position of Laurel, Pelican, and Wreath Sovereigns of Arms was March 1, 2011. The August 2010 Cover Letter gave details on the requirements for the positions.

We would also like to remind everyone that Laurel is accepting applications for a replacement Ragged Staff Herald. Details are also on the August 2010 Cover Letter.

As of this writing, we have received the following applications electronically:

  • Alexander Ravenscroft: Laurel
  • Gabriel andvaka Kjotvason: Laurel
  • Emma de Fetherstan: Wreath
  • Juliana de Luna: Pelican

We urge all members of the College of Arms and the kingdom Colleges of Heralds to provide their feedback to the Board of Directors on these applications.

From Laurel: KWHSS 2012 Bids Requested

For those considering bidding on the 2012 Known World Heraldic and Scribal Symposium, the deadline to have your bid entered into OSCAR is May 15, 2011. This will give the College of Arms time for consideration so that we can announce the bid's award at this year's KWHSS in Atlantia, as is our preferred practice.

Please remember that bids posted to OSCAR are publicly readable. Because of this, all personal information, such as legal names, addresses, phone numbers, and email, should not be included in these bids without signed, written permission. Such information as is necessary should be posted as a comment after the bid is finalized, so that only the College of Arms can read it. Please send a courtesy copy of the full bid to Laurel at laurel@heraldry.sca.org.

As a reminder, there is a KWHSS domain and web hosting space available on the SCA's servers; you need not register your own.

Please see http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/kwhs/ or contact Laurel if you have any questions.

From Laurel: A Gentle Reminder Regarding Petitions

There have been a few issues lately regarding petitions for branch names and armory, in some cases rendering the petitions invalid. We would like to remind everyone of what is required for a valid petition and when petitions are required.

As is described in the Administrative Handbook IV.C.5. Evidence of support, a valid petition must include on every page of the petition, both a clear description of the item(s) being submitted and the date. For armory, either the emblazon or blazon is acceptable, though including both is preferable.

Petitions are required by the Administrative Handbook for the branch name and the branch arms alone. They are not required by Laurel for award and order names, badges, or other items.

From Pelican: Some Name Resources (A Series)

We've talked about online dictionaries for English, Old Norse, and French. Unfortunately, there is not an equivalent online dictionary for Spanish. What there is, however, is almost as useful (if you can read a little Spanish). The Real Academia Española has a collection of historical documents, which form a database of historical usage. It's called CORDE (Corpus Diacrónico del Español) and is found at http://corpus.rae.es/cordenet.html.

The word that you want to find goes in the search box labeled Consulta. Put 1600 (or 1650) in the second space in the second of the two boxes labeled Cronológico (which limits the citations to before that date). Click Buscar. That will bring up a group of cases (the number is listed as casos under Resultado). To get the actual examples (for context), click on the button labeled Recuperar. If the number is under 1,000 or so, the system defaults to giving the sentence from the original document, listed as Concordancias.

If there are too many examples, you can't get to the Concordancias directly. Instead, the system will bring up a list of documents. You have to select documents (you can select several at a time), then change the drop-down box from Documentos to Concordancias and click Recuperar to get the citations.

You'll need to include the information you get here with any submission, as the search doesn't generate a permanent URL. For example, a search on Leonor gives 253 cases in 27 documents before 1650. A 1553 document describes los dichos liçençiado Çerbantes e doña leonor de torreblanca ('the said licenciado Cervantes and Doña Leonor de Torreblanca').


Algar MacBlane. Device. Per fess argent and gules, two ram's heads erased respectant and a bell counterchanged.

Commenters have been using the November 2001 LoAR discussion about the proper style for medieval erasing as a basis for calling for returns of any armory which does not exactly meet every detail of that description. While the depicted emblazon does not fully meet that description, it is good enough, since the submitted charge is clearly not couped. We will not be returning armory which is clearly meant to be erased unless the number of jags is overwhelming or the jags are too small to be clearly seen as erased.

Andrew Williams. Device. Sable, on a saltire vert fimbriated Or a skull argent sustaining in its mouth a serpent fesswise Or.

This device had been pended from the August 2010 LoAR due to confusion about the tincture of the serpent.

Basil Dragonstrike. Badge. Or, a bordure sable.

Nice badge!

Chiara Calandra. Device. Vert, a labyrinth and on a chief Or three clews of yarn vert.

Please instruct the submitter to draw the labyrinth with more pronounced detail lines.

Elizabeth Turner de Carlisle. Blanket permission to conflict with name and device. Sable, two chevronels and in chief an arrow fesswise argent.

Elizabeth grants permission to conflict for all armory which is a countable step (CD) from her device.

Elizabeth Turner de Carlisle. Blanket permission to conflict with alternate name Áine Steele.

Elizabeth Turner de Carlisle. Blanket permission to conflict with badge. (Fieldless) Two chevronels couped braced argent.

Elizabeth grants permission to conflict for all armory which is not identical to her badge, which means that a blazonable difference must exist.

Gilia Maddalena Sofia del Fortuna. Name change from Jane Godwin and device change. Gules, a demi-annulet argent issuant from a rock issuant from base proper cleft palewise by a natural river flowing to base argent.

The December 2008 Letter of Acceptances and Returns (Vincenzo Antonio Maria Paci) discussed multiple people with three given names in Renaissance Italy; this practice is thus period and registerable.

Her previous name, Jane Godwin, is retained as an alternate name.

This device is registered as a documented exception.

Her old device, Per bend sinister gules and vert, a pomegranate slipped and leaved Or and a cross bottony argent, is released.

Godwyn Reynard. Name and device. Per pale argent and gules, two foxes rampant reguardant addorsed counterchanged.

Isabelle Saint-Michael. Name and device. Azure, on a chevron between three fleurs-de-lys argent three escarbuncles azure.

Játvarðr Þorvarðarson. Name.

Juliana Robertsone. Name and device. Per chevron inverted vert and sable, a winged lion rampant Or and a thistle argent.

Katherine Redbow. Name and device. Argent, a drawn bow reversed nocked with a bird blunt gules.

A drawn bow with a nocked arrow is considered a single charge. Since a bow-and-arrow in this arrangement are distinguishable visually from a plain bow, there is a CD between them. This device, therefore, is clear of the device of Brynach ap Rhys, (Fieldless) A bow reversed gules, with a CD for comparing fielded and fieldless armory and a CD for the change of type of the primary charge group. It is also clear of the device of Giovanni dell'Arco, Argent, a bow reversed vert. There is a CD for the change of tincture and a CD for the change of type of the primary charge group.

Leuric Godwin. Name and device. Per pale vert and azure, in chief on a sun Or a rat rampant to sinister sable.

This device is clear of the badge of Windymeads, Women of, Per pale vert and azure, a mullet of twelve points Or bearing in chief the letters W.O.W. azure and in base the letters C.C. vert, with a CD for the unforced change of the position of the sun on the field and a CD for the multiple changes to the tertiary charges.

Michael Kelly of the Silver Oak. Name and device. Per chevron sable and vert, on a pall inverted between two oak leaves in chevron inverted argent and a sun Or three feathers shafts to center sable.

Nerienda Silvester. Name change from Katerina des Monteignes.

Submitted as Nerienda Silvester, the name was changed by kingdom to Nerienda Sylvester, to match available documentation.

Green Staff was able to date Silvester to 6th and 8th century France (in Morlet I, s.n. Silvester). Thus, there is at worst a single step from period practice for the name as submitted (for the mix of Old English and the languages spoken in France); we have therefore restored this to the submitted form. A completely Latinized form (which is what we'd expect for this time) would be Nerienda filia Silvestri.

Her previous name, Katerina des Monteignes, is retained as an alternate name.

Norman of Eoforwic. Name.

Submitted as Norman of Eoforic, a timely correction added the w to the byname.

Olivia Dougall. Device change. Quarterly purpure and vert, three dragonflies in pall tails to center argent.

Her old device, Per saltire purpure and argent, two needles argent and two lit candles purpure, is released.

Richenda du Jardin. Alternate name Ricca Speziali (see PENDS for badge).

Tir Rígh, Principality of. Order name Order of the Silver Sparkes.

The submitters have permission to conflict with Silversparre Herald, registered to the Kingdom of Drachenwald.

Tir Rígh, Principality of. Badge for Order of the Blue Lily. (Fieldless) A lily azure within and conjoined to a mascle argent.

The order name was registered in April 2010.

Tir Rígh, Principality of. Badge for the University of Tir Rígh. Azure, a candle argent enflamed in a flat candlestick Or and in chief a mullet of eight points argent.

Commenters cited a precedent and asked if it says that flat candlesticks on candles are not worth difference: "[a candle issuant from a handleless flat candlestick vs a candle] There is nothing for the addition of the handleless flat candlestick." (Starkhafn, Barony of, 5/99 p. 14). The candlestick in that submission had no handle and was substantially smaller than the one in this submission. The candlestick in this submission is as large as the candle, and should be considered half of the charge.

Therefore, this badge is clear of the Society A&S badge, Azure, a candle enflamed within an arch stooped argent. There is a CD for the change of type of the secondary charge, from arch to mullet, and a CD for the change of the tincture of the primary charge, from all argent to half argent and half Or.

This badge is also clear of the device of Rurik the Axe-finder, Azure, a candle palewise argent, enflamed at both ends Or. There is a CD for the change of tincture of the primary charge and a CD for the addition of the secondary mullet.

We note that this submission was marked on the Letter of Intent as an appeal, but it was explicitly stated that the emblazon had been redrawn to make the mullet unmistakably a secondary charge. This submission should have been processed as a resubmission of a kingdom return and not as an appeal.

University of Tir Rígh is a generic identifier.

Tir Rígh, Principality of. Badge for Ordre de l'Etoile d'Argent. (Fieldless) A mullet of eight points argent within and conjoined to a annulet azure.

The order name was registered in November 2010.

Tir Rígh, Principality of. Badge for Order of the Blue Spear. (Fieldless) A spear azure within and conjoined to a mascle argent.

The order name was registered in April 2010.

Tir Rígh, Principality of. Heraldic title Lynx Herald.

Tvorimir Danilov. Badge. (Fieldless) In pale a hawk's foot bendwise reversed argent sustaining a plate.

Ulfr Hauksson. Name and device. Per pale sable and argent, two maple leaves and a chief embattled counterchanged.

Yzabela de Carlat. Name.

Nice 14th century Occitan name!



Adiantum, Barony of. Badge for Order of Courtesy of Adiantum. Sable, two bear's heads erased addorsed conjoined at the neck and a bordure wavy-crested Or.

Blazoned on the Letter of Intent as rayonny, the line of division is actually wavy-crested, which has not been acceptable in the SCA since 1976. The rayonny line of division comes to a sharp point at both the inside and the outside of the line. The line in the submitted emblazon is curved on the outer edge, pointed on the inner edge, and leans over to one side.



The following items have been forwarded to Laurel and are tentatively scheduled to be decided on in June 2011:

Alanna of Adiantum - New Name.

Commenters could find no evidence of the name Alanna, but evidence was found for Alana. This name has been forwarded as Alana of Adiantum.

Andronikos Belisariou - Resub Badge. Sable, on a lozenge per pale gules and Or a gryphon's head sable.

Anna Rysdam - New Name.

Dragano Sanuto da Firenze - New Name and New Device. Sable, on a wolf sejant ululant contourny argent a fleur-de-lys vert and in chief three crescents argent.

Francisca de Montoya - New Name and New Device. Per fess, purpure and argent a descrescent and in chief two mullets of eight points counterchanged.

Isabella Mor - New Name and New Device. Or, on a dragon sejant between three hearts gules a mullet Or.

Lourenço de Compostella - New Name (see PENDS for device)

Magdalen Murdoch of Derhurste - New Primary Name Change.

This name was submitted with a byname of Derhurste. Consultation with the submitter about the temporal disparity between the elements of her name revealed a preference for the spelling Derhirst_ to remove the step from period practice. This name has been forwarded as Magdalen Murdoch of Derhirst.

Martin von München - New Device. Per pale argent and sable, an eagle between four crosses potent counterchanged.

Sebastiaen des Roseaux - New Name and New Device. Per bend azure and sable, a pile bendwise between a cup and a bee argent.

Talia Soranzo da Chioggia - New Name and New Device. Per pale gules and sable, a winged sea-unicorn and in chief three fleurs-de-lys Or.

Ursel Lindenhayn - New Name and New Device. Per fess argent and azure, a linden tree eradicated within a bordure embattled counterchanged.

Wenna of St. Ives - New Name.

Yvette Coeur - Resub Device. Per fess purpure and vert, on a heart argent a triquetra vert and a triquetra inverted purpure conjoined.


Lions Blood has RETURNED the following items for further work:

Magdalen Murdoch of Derhurste - New Badge. (Fieldless) A thistle slipped and leaved proper pierced by an arrow fesswise sable fletched gules.

This badge is returned for conflict with the badge of Scotland, (Fieldless) A thistle proper. There is no difference granted for the maintained arrow.

Wenna of St. Ives - New Device. Argent, a base wavy sable, a goutte de sang within an annulo of six gouttes d'eau.

This device is returned for violating the "sword and dagger" rule, per the following precedent:

"…within six gouttes d'eau in annulo." An "annulet" is a charge, while "in annulo" is an arrangement of charges. Of course the problem of using the same charges as primary and secondaries doesn't go away. "In addition, the difference in size between the two lymphads in chief and the one in base is so great that there was too much confusion as to how the bird and ships should be grouped together. As a result this violates the "Sword and Dagger" principle as applied to charges of the same type but of different size: one cannot use the same charge as both a primary and a secondary charge on the field in the same piece of armory. [Kate Wrenn, LoAR 12/2004, East-R]"


Lions Blood has PENDED the following items:

Anna Rysdam - New Device. Azure, a cat's head cabossed and in chief two tulips argent.

Pended for redrawing. This device will be forwarded to Laurel when the submitter approves the new artwork.

Georgette de Montmorency - Resub Device. Per chevron gules and vert, in chief an acorn between two oak leaves in chevron, and in base an aileron Or.

Pended for redrawing. This device will be forwarded to Laurel when the submitter approves the new artwork.

Lourenço de Compostella - New Device. Quarterly per fess embattled gules and Or crusily Santiago gules a wolf rampant to sinister and a bear passant Or

Pended for redrawing. This device will be forwarded to Laurel when the submitter approves the new artwork.

1: Diana de Winterton - Resub Name

• Submitter desires a female name.
• No major changes.
• Sound (spelling) most important.

The submitter's branch is (recently) Coeur du Val.

The previous submission of <Alessandra dei Medici> was returned by Laurel in May 2005 for the following reason: "Aural conflict with Alessandro de' Medici, first duke of Florence. The only difference in sound is the final vowel. Dukes and duchesses of Italian city-states are considered the equivalent of a sovereign, and so are always important enough to protect." This name is a complete redesign.

<Diana> is found in Withycombe, s.n. Diana, dated to 1580. It is also found 9 times in the IGI Parish Extract records dated between 1543 and 1597.

<Winterton> is a placename found with various dated spellings (including this one) in Reaney & Wilson, s.n. Winterton. This spelling is found 36 times in the IGI Parish Extract records dated between 1564 and 1599.

2: Jade Redstone - New Device

Vert estenceley, an owl maintaining and perched upon a sword fesswise reversed argent

The submitter's branch is Aquaterra. Her name was previously submitted via An Tir (December 2010 ILoI).

3: Kaðlín in stórráða - New Device

Sable, on a bend argent three butterflies palewise vert

The submitter's branch is Coeur du Val. Her name was registered in August 2010 via An Tir. The following letter was included with the submission:

I, [mundane name], known in the Society for Creative Anachronism as Siegfried von Höflichkeit, give [submitter's mundane name], known in the Society for Creative Anachronism as Kaðlín in Stórráða, permission for her armory, "sable, on a bend argent, three butterflies vert" to look similar to, but not identical to, my armory, "Sable, on a bend argetn a mullet of four points elongated to base gyronny Or and sable." I understand that this permission cannot be withdrawn once Kaðlín in Stórráða's armory is registered.

The letter is signed with Siegfried's mundane name and dated April 10, 2011.

4: Timothy ap Caradoc - New Name

• Submitter desires a male name.
• No major changes.
• Sound (sound and spelling) most important.
• Language (Welsh) most important.
• Culture (Welsh) most important.

The submitter's branch is Madrone.

<Timothy> occurs twice in "Late 16thC English Given Names" by Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/eng16/eng16alpha.html). His corresponding article "Late 16C Welsh Names" explains why it is suitable for a 16th C Welsh person to have an English given name (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/talanWelsh16.htm).

<ap> is Welsh for 'son of' (see "Constructing 16th Century Welsh Names" by Tangwystl verch Morgant Glasvryn at http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/welsh16.html).

<Caradoc> is the name of a 12th century author. A work written by this author can be found here: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/1150-Caradoc-LifeofGildas.html.

The elements can be combined with only a single exception for the time gap between the 12th and 16th centuries.

4: Timothy ap Caradoc - New Device

Sable, a mullet of six points elongated palewise and on a chief dovetailed argent two boars contourney sable


• Submitter desires a male name.
• Meaning (unspecified) most important.

The submitter's branch is Montengarde. He will accept all changes, cares most about meaning (none specified) and desires a male name. The following is quoted from the documentation section of the form (Boar sez: this was all in caps, too, but I edited for simplicity's sake):

At May Crown in Fort MacLeod, Alberta, the weekend of May, 15-18th, 2009 I consulted a herald at the Herald Point. She directed me to consult a 3 ring binder wherein I found that the name Timothy is period for the 1500s in England. I have forgotten said heralds name. She said she would research the longer version of my name. That version is; TIMOTHY THE FOCUSED OF THE FOUR HILLS OF SHERWOOD. I've not heard from her since that event. Mayhap this is because she was about to move & was also about to be elevated to become either a Pelican, a Laurel or a Peer; I've forgotten which. I am content, for now, to be known as TIMOTHY OF SHERWOOD.

The web site http://heraldry.sca.org/names/english/parishes/parishes.html shows TIMOTHY as in use in the 16th & early 17th centuries. The spelling has remained the same from then until now.

Thank you! :-)

Boar sez: the website in question is English Given Names from 16th and Early 17th C Marriage Records by Aryanhwy merch Catmael. It lists one occurrence for <Timothy> in 1606.


Gules, a sheaf of three arrows inverted and on a chief Or an open book sable

Thus ends the April 2011 Internal Letter of Intent.

I remain,

yours in service,

Rhieinwylydd verch Einion Llanaelhaearn

Boar Pursuivant

An Tir OSCAR counts: 2 New Names, 4 New Devices. This gives 6 new items. Resub counts: 1 Resub Name. This is a total of 1 resubmission on this letter, for a total of 7 actions.

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