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An Tir IL dated 2011-02-01 (Jump to Submissions)

Unto Anthony Black Lion, Elizabeth Lions Blood, and all you other folks who aren't important enough to be named here but whose attention is very much welcomed, Rhieinwylydd Boar sends greetings! Those of you out on this coast, hope you're getting the same beautiful day I am (and that you're out enjoying it). Those of you elsewhere... good luck with the impending snowpacalpyse!

A reminder to heralds and submitters: please don't staple your paperwork together. I just have to pry the staples out anyway. Thanks!

Commentary on this letter is due March 10, 2011.

LIONS BLOOD MEETINGS

January 2011 Letter - date TBD, somewhere in the Barony of Adiantum. Watch the An Tir Heralds' list for details.

FROM LIONS BLOOD

Greetings unto the College of Heralds from Elizabeth Lions Blood!

My thanks to everyone who helped Æstel out at the consult table at 12th Night :) We collected a lot of submissions for this letter and got to talk to a lot of people about their names and devices, including some people who were brand new and at their first event. If you didn't get to see Saturday's copy of The Oregonian on the 8th, there was a lovely article about the SCA on page 1 of the B section including a picture of the labyrinth upstairs. It was very good press for An Tir, and it drew in a lot of newcomers who we got to help.

We are full swing in preparations for the April 1 IL, so if you have any ideas on things to put there, please send them to me! We have the best College in the known world, and I think we can put together a magnificent letter to show how much we have learned about the rules and about documentation. We can even learn in the process :)

The February meeting will be in Eugene, date to be announced on the An Tir Heralds list so please watch there for details.

Thank you, thank you, thank you to everyone who has commented on the letter and who has been learning to comment on the letter. We have a lot of brand-new commenters since I started work in this office, and I am so pleased to see the progress. Even commenting "I found no conflict" or "The documentation checks out" is useful to me, because it means people are looking at the letter and checking over the submissions. Part of the purpose of commentary at this level isn't just to decide on submissions, but to offer useful information to Laurel on the external letter. The more groundwork we can do in An Tir, the less that commenters at the Society level have to do and they can focus on the really precise research for problem submissions. Your commentary helps me provide valuable information to Laurel and helps our submitters. It is all worthwhile!

I am still seeking people who want to learn to do my job. It is a fun and valuable learning opportunity! Please consider contributing to your Kingdom this way.

In service to the College of Heralds,

Lady Elizabeth Turner de Carlisle, GdS

Lions Blood Herald

LAUREL ACTIONS

No new Laurel decisions have been released since the last letter.

LIONS BLOOD ACTIONS

The following items have been forwarded to Laurel and are tentatively scheduled to be decided on in April 2011

Ætta surtr - New Name & New Device

Quarterly argent and sable, in canton sinister three swords argent within a bordure vert

Alys Wolfden - Resub Badge

(Fieldless) On a rose vert a wolf's head couped

Ása Ásadottír - New Name & New Device

Purpure, a butterfly between in cross four spears points to center Or

The byname was originally submitted as Ásasdottir, but this construction had two problems. First, it was a metronymic formed from the women's given name Ása, but Geirr Bassi's rules say that to form such a byname from a given name ending in -a, the /a/ changes to a /u/. The second problem was that the accents were not consistent throughout. The metronymic based on the name Ása should be Ásudottír, but the client did not like that sound. Instead we altered the byname to be based on the men's given name Ási, which forms the patronymic Ásadottír.

Basilius Fuchs - Resub Device

Per chevron throughout argent and sable, two rapiers sable and a phoenix Or rising from flames proper

Charles Rose - New Name & New Device

Sable, a chevron inverted gules fimbriated and in chief a compass rose argent

Edmund Halliday - New Name & New Device

Or semy trefoil knots azure, a crane close sable and an orle vert

Jade Redstone - New Name

Johanna Kopmansdotter - New Name

Kallik Lycias - New Device

Azure, an eagle displayed and in base a crescent, all within an orle Or

Karach Ryndin - New Name & New Device

Paly bendy azure and argent, on a bend sinister gules three crosses crosslet fitchy argent

Karin Georgsdotter - Resub Device

Or, an eagle sable between three crescents gules, a bordure azure

Lars surtr - New Name & New Device

Quarterly argent and sable, in sinister canton three swords argent

Lars surtr and Ætta surtr - New Badge

 (Fieldless) A sun per bend sinister argent and sable eclipsed counterchanged

Máel Brigte inghean Aimhirgin - New Name & New Device

Argent, a brazier enflamed gules

Norman of Eoforwic - Resub Device

Argent, a pomme within an orle vert

Oliva Magdalena de Haro - New Name& New Device

Purpure, on a bend gules fimbriated between two phoenixes a spoon Or

Rhieinwylydd verch Einion Llanaelhaearn & Galeran Chanterel - New Release of Armory

Per bend indented argent and sable, a fleur-de-lys azure and a lion's head cabossed argent

Robert of Wolford - Resub Device

Sable, a wolf rampant to sinister maintaining in the sinister paw a bow bendwise and in the dexter a shief of arrows inverted ermine

Tryggr Tyrsson - Resub Name & Resub Device

Gyronny of eight gules, argent and sable

Tryggr Tyrsson - New Badge

(Fieldless) In pale a double tiwaz rune conjoined to a sail-less drakkar sable

Ysabella Morena - New Name & New Device

Argent, a bear passant azure between three dragonflies vert

 

The following items have been returned for further work

Johanna Kopmansdotter - New Name

Per fess engrailed azure and argent, a nar Or, sailed bendy sinister vert and argent, a bull's head between three bear's claws one and two Or, and a standing balance sable

The device is returned for violating the rule set for complexity, as it has a complexity count of 10. This rule has been bent for devices demonstrating good period style, but this device does not. It is also returned for violating the rules governing good contrast of armory, as the brown boat has been placed directly on the azure part of the field. Some ways to solve these issues are to remove the charges from the sail, leaving it bendy vert and argent, and coloring the entire boat gold.

The following items have been pended awaiting further information

Thyra Tryggrsdottir - New Name & New Device

Vert, a G clef within an orle Or

This submission is pended until documentation is received for this depiction of a G clef, as well as for the masculine given name Tryggr.

 

1: Alanna of Adiantum - New Name

• Submitter desires a female name.
• No major changes.
• Sound most important.

The submitter's branch is Adiantum. She will not accept major changes, cares most about sound and spelling (not specified), and desires a female name. The following is quoted from the documentation of the form:

<Alanna> is a feminine personal name, formed as a feminine version of Alan. Alan is found sub <Al(l)an> in Withycombe, 3rd edition. (Other examples of this tyle include Henry --> Henrietta & Benedict --> Benedicta.

<of> is used to indicate location.

<Adiantum> - This locative byname indicates the barony she resides in.

2: Andronikos Belisariou - Resub Badge

Sable, on a fusil per pale gules and Or, a gryphons head sable

The submitter's branch is Dragon's Mist. His name was registered in April 2010 via An Tir. His previous badge submission (Sable, on a lozenge throughout per pale Or and gules a griffin's head erased sable) was under his old name (Marcus Andronicus) and returned by Laurel in February 2010:

Conflict is valid under any registerable blazon, not just the submitted blazon. This submission can also be blazoned as Per pale Or and gules vêtu sable, a griffin's head erased sable. Under that blazon, it is a conflict with the badge (ensign) of the Kingdom of Artemisia, Or, a gryphon's head erased sable, with a single CD for the change of tincture of the field.

3: Anna Rysdam - New Name

The submitter's branch is not given on the form; her address puts her between Adiantum and Briaroak. She will accept all changes. Note that the 'society name' line on the form reads <Anna Rijsdam> but the documentation section specifies and supports <Rysdam>. The following is quoted from the documentation section of the form.

Anna - Withycombe header Ann/Anna

Rysdam - Legal name allowance

A copy of her OR driver's license confirming her last name as <Rysdam> was included.

3: Anna Rysdam - New Device

Azure, a cat's head cabossed and in chief two tulips argent

4: Dragano Sanuto da Firenze - New Name

• Submitter desires a male name.
• No major changes.
• Language (not specified) most important.
• Culture (not specified) most important.

The submitter's branch is Three Mountains. He will not accept major changes, cares most about language/culture (not specified) and desires a male name. The following is summarized from the included documentation.

http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/venice14/, 'Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names' by Arval Benicoeur documents the three-name pattern:

Finally, there were a few 'long' names. Some appear to be examples of double forenames: Bucello Francesco del Richo; Gian Giacomo Caroldo (16th C.); and Pietro Paolo Querini. We can't tell whether the names Giovanni Andruzo da Lucca and Gian Galeazzo Visconti contain double forenames or double surnames http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/venice14/venice14notes.html[1]. In Francesco Dente da San Paternian, Dente 'tooth' looks like a surname or byname, and in Marin Sanuto Il Vecchio, Il Vecchio 'The Old Man' is clearly a nickname. We don't know whether Marin Sanuto Torsello is the same person with a different nickname or a completely different person. Torsello could be a 'nickname of a short, thick-set man' [Fucilla, p.210]. (Sanuto apparently began as a nickname referring to a person's big teeth; this form is typically Venetian [Fucilla, p.220].)

The tables of names linked from the above document <Dragano> (first name), <Sanuto> (byname) and <da Firenze> (locative).

4: Dragano Sanuto da Firenze - New Device

Sable, on a wolf sejant ululant argent a fleur-de-lys vert and in chief three crescents argent.

5: Francisca de Montoya - New Name

• Submitter desires a female name.
• No major changes.
• Language (not specified) most important.
• Culture (not specified) most important.

The submitter's branch is Glymm Mere. She will not accept major changes, cares most about language/culture (not specified), and desires a female name. The following is quoted from the documentation section of the form.

<Francisca> - from St. Gabriel rpt 1398

<de Montoya> from St. Gabriel rpt 2981

5: Francisca de Montoya - New Device

Per fess, purpure and argent a descrescent and in chief two mullets of eight points counterchanged

6: Georgette de Montmorency - Resub Device

Per chevron gules and vert, in chief an acorn between two oak leaves in chevron, and in base an aileron Or

The submitter's branch is Dragon's Mist. Her name was registered in July 2009 (via An Tir). Her previous submission, Per chevron gules and vert on a chevron Or between two oak leaves chevronwise Or and an aileron argent, three acorns proper, was returned by Lions Blood in April 2009:

This device is being returned for being in violation of Rule for Submission VIII.1.a Armorial Simplicity, whereas the total of the number of tinctures plus the number of types of charges in a design should not exceed eight. The submitters desired design has 5 tinctures: red, yellow, brown, green & white and 4 charge types: leaf, chevron, acorn & aileron, for a compexity count of 9. A suggestion was brought forward to change the aileron to Or.

7: Isabella Mor - New Name

• Submitter desires a female name.
• No major changes.
• Sound (IS-A-bella-a <mor>) most important.

The submitter's branch is Three Mountains; she will not accept major changes, cares most about sound (IS-A-bella-a <mor>) and spelling and desires a female name. The following is quoted from the documentation section of the form.

Names found in Maisemore, Gloustershire Registers 1538-1600 by Aranhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman): Isabella 1558, 1580 http://heraldry.sca.org/names/english/maisemore.html

Black s.n. Muir dates <Reynaud Mor> to 1296. (Her father's surname in the SCA.)

7: Isabella Mor - New Device

Or, on a dragon sejant between three hearts gules a star Or

8: Lourenço de Compostella - New Name

• Submitter desires a male name.
• Language (Spanish/Galician) most important.
• Culture (Spanish/Galician) most important.

The submitter's branch is Three Mountains. He will accept all changes, cares most about language/culture (Spanish/Galician), and desires a male name. The following is quoted from the documentation section of the form.

Lourenço - from "Portuguese Names 1350-1450" by Juliana de Luna, http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/portuguese.htm

de Compostella - Catholic Encyclopedia on "Bernard of Compostella," http://newadvent.org/cathen/02502a.htm

8: Lourenço de Compostella - New Device

Quarterly per fess embattled gules and Or crusily Santiago gules a wolf rampant to sinister and a bear passant Or

9: Magdalen Murdoch of Derhurste - New Alternate Name

• Submitter desires a female name.
• No major changes.

The submitter's branch is River's Bend. Her existing name was registered in October of 2006 via An Tir. She will not accept major changes and desires a female name. The following is quoted from the documentation section of the form.

<Magdalen> is found as a feminine personal name sub. Madeline in Withycombe 3rd edition. Derived from the Hebrew 'woman of Magdala.' this spelling dated 1604.

<Murdoch> is a header spelling in Black, Geo F., _the surnames of Scotland_; which says that Murdoch, the second duke of Albany, was executed in 1425.

<Deerhurst> is a header in both Ekwall and Mills as well as Reaney & Wilson with an early dated spelling of <Derhurste> in 1275.

9: Magdalen Murdoch of Derhurste - New Badge

(Fieldless) A thistle slipped and leaved proper pierced by an arrow fesswise sable fletched gules.

10: Martin von München - New Device

Per pale argent and sable, an eagle between four crosses potent counterchanged.

The submitter's name appeared on the January 2011 An Tir LoI. His device was pended from that letter for a redraw. His branch is Lyonsmarche.

11: Sebastiaen des Roseaux - New Name

• Submitter desires a male name.
• Language (1400-1500s French) most important.
• Culture (France) most important.
• Meaning (des Roseaux = of the reeds) most important.

The submitter's branch is Three Mountains. He will accept all changes, cares most about meaning (des Roseaux = of the reeds) and language/culture (1400-1500s France), and desires a male name.

The following is quoted from the documentation section of the form.

<Sebastiaen> is found dated 1400-1550 and 1573 in 'Flemish Names from Bruges' at http://s-gabriel.org/docs/bruges/ in the list of given names.

<des Roseaux> is intended to be a surname meaning 'of the reeds.' This following information was supplied by Juliana de Luna:

Ernest Negre, in _Toponymie Generale de la France v.2_ (http://books.google.com/books?id=jbpVLN1tRNoC) gives <le Rosel> (1135) 'the reed,' <Rosieres> 1247 'the places covered with reeds,' and <Rosay> 12th c. as 'a place with reeds' as placenames (on p. 1260, s.nn. Le Rozel, Rosieres, and Rosay respectively).

We speculate that they may justify a name of the form <des Roseaux>.

We have some undated names which are similar and might help justify the preferred spelling:

Dauzat: Noms et Prenoms s.n. Roseau, Rosel dimin (Roselet), Roussillon, Rosell, Corse (et Italie) Roselli <<roseau>> n. de domaine ou de hameau; a deésigné aussi celui qui couvrait les toits en roseaux, comme le nom de métier Roselier, Rozelier

dimin (Roselet), Roussillon, Rosell, in Corsica (and Italy) Roselli <<reed>> domain or hamlet name; also designated as one who covered roofs with reeds, such as job title Roselier, Rozelier.

11: Sebastiaen des Roseaux - New Device

Per bend azure and sable, a pile bendwise between a cup and a bee argent

12: Talia Soranzo da Chioggia - New Name

• Submitter desires a female name.
• No major changes.
• Language (Italian) most important.
• Culture (Italian) most important.

The submitter's branch is Three Mountains. She will not accept major changes, cares most about language/culture (Italian), and desires a female name. The following is summarized from the included documentation.

http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/venice14/, 'Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names' by Arval Benicoeur documents the three-name pattern:

Finally, there were a few 'long' names. Some appear to be examples of double forenames: Bucello Francesco del Richo; Gian Giacomo Caroldo (16th C.); and Pietro Paolo Querini. We can't tell whether the names Giovanni Andruzo da Lucca and Gian Galeazzo Visconti contain double forenames or double surnames http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/venice14/venice14notes.html#note1 [1]. In Francesco Dente da San Paternian, Dente 'tooth' looks like a surname or byname, and in Marin Sanuto Il Vecchio, Il Vecchio 'The Old Man' is clearly a nickname. We don't know whether Marin Sanuto Torsello is the same person with a different nickname or a completely different person. Torsello could be a 'nickname of a short, thick-set man' [Fucilla, p.210]. (Sanuto apparently began as a nickname referring to a person's big teeth; this form is typically Venetian [Fucilla, p.220].)

The tables of names linked from the above document <Soranzo> (either a patronymic or descriptive byname; also used as a first name) and <da Chioggia> (locative).

http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/perugia/perugiaFemAlpha.html, 'Feminine Given Names from Thirteenth Century Perugia' by Arval Benicoeur lists one occurrence of <Talia>.

 

12: Talia Soranzo da Chioggia - New Device

Per pale gules and sable, a winged sea-unicorn and in chief three fleurs-de-lys Or

13: Ursel Lindenhayn - New Name

• Submitter desires a female name.
• No major changes.
• Client requests authenticity for Germany (near Köln).
• Language (German) most important.
• Meaning (cants with arms) most important.

The submitter's branch is Three Mountains. She will not accept major changes, cares most about meaning ('Lindenhayn' cants with arms) and language/culture (German) and desires a female name. She would like her name made authentic for 'Germany (near Köln)'. The following is quoted from the documentation section of the form.

Ursel - from Bahlow Gentry under "Ursula"

Lindenhayn - from Brechenmacher

13: Ursel Lindenhayn - New Device

Per fess argent and azure, a linden tree eradicated within a bordure embattled counterchanged

14: Wenna of St. Ives - New Name

• Submitter desires a female name.
• No major changes.
• Sound (Wenna - not Mowsenna or Gwenna) most important.
• Language (Cornish/Welsh) most important.

The submitter's branch is Rivers Bend. She will not accept major changes, cares most about sound (Wenna - not Morwenna or Gwenna) and language/culture (Cornish/Welsh), and desires a female name. The following is summarized from the included documentation.

<Wenna> from earlybritishkingdoms.com/bios/wennacg.html (St. Wenna of Talgarth, born c. 463 CE) and earlybritishkingdoms.com/bios/wennabg.html (St. Wenna the Queen, c. 472-544 CE). Both pages specify that <Wenna> is the Cornish form of <Gwen>.

<St. Ives> sub <St. Ives> in British Placenames by E. Eckwall dates the parish of St. Ives to 1337

14: Wenna of St. Ives - New Device

Argent, a base wavy sable, a goutte de sang within an annulo of six gouttes d'eau

15: Yvette Coeur - Resub Device

Per fess purpure and vert, on a heart argent, a triquetra and a triquetra inverted conjoined counterchanged.

The submitter's branch is Aquaterra. Her name was registered in September 2010 via An Tir. Her previous device submission, Per fess purpure and vert, on a heart argent in pale a triquetra vert interlaced with a triquetra inverted purpure, was returned by Laurel in September 2010:

This device is returned for lack of identifiability of the tertiary charges. Section VIII.3 of the Rules for Submissions requires that "Elements must be used in a design so as to preserve their individual identifiability." It specifies that "Identifiable elements may be rendered unidentifiable by ... being obscured by other elements of the design." Commenters were unanimous in having difficulty identifying the interlaced triquetras.

 

Thus ends the February 2011 Internal Letter of Intent.

I remain,

yours in service,

Rhieinwylydd verch Einion Llanaelhaearn

Boar Pursuivant

An Tir OSCAR counts: 10 New Names, 1 New Alternate Name, 10 New Devices, 1 New Badge. This gives 22 new items. Resub counts: 2 Resub Devices, 1 Resub Badge. This is a total of 3 resubmissions on this letter, for a total of 25 actions.

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