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An Tir IL dated 2010-08-05 (Jump to Submissions)

Unto Anthony Black Lion, Elizabeth Lions Blood, and the esteemed heralds from An Tir and elsewhere to whom this missive comes, Rhieinwylydd Boar sends frantic but heartfelt pre-Pennsic greetings!

Commentary on this letter is due September 25, 2010!

LIONS BLOOD MEETINGS

Note that there are some changes to upcoming meetings - please read carefully!

July IL: Sunday, August 29, at the home of Rhieinwylydd verch Einion Llanaelhaearn, 1218 NE Conroy Pl. Corvallis, OR. The meeting begins at 1:00 and we'll go until we're finished. Summer picnic & bardic to follow! Bring something to share; Lions Blood will provide the meat. This is the day after Terra Pomaria's "Long & Short of it" event (http://terrapomaria.antir.sca.org/longshort.php); we encourage people to attend the event and then the meeting! Lions Blood and Boar are both willing to offer crash space and/or hot showers Sunday morning should you so desire; please contact one of us if you're interested.

August IL: September 26th, at the Emprise of the Black Lion in Wyewood (http://antir.sca.org/Upcoming/?Event_ID=2362). Heralds are encouraged to attend the event and show off their skills on Saturday, then attend the meeting on Sunday.

September IL: Sunday, October 10th at the An Tir Heralds & Scribes Symposium in Aquaterra (http://www.antir.sca.org/Upcoming/?Event_ID=2693). Lots of you will be at the event, so we should have great attendance... right?

FROM LIONS BLOOD

Greetings to the College from Elizabeth Lions Blood!

I am headed to Pennsic in the latter half of next week, but I will be out of communication for approximately one week as I visit family and friends on the East Coast. (They live in the East Kingdom, but I love them anyway.) Any really urgent matters can be directed to Black Lion, who has my cell phone number and can call me in an emergency.

Thank you again to Anthony Black Lion for a positively lovely weekend in Victoria. I plan on doing this again at some point next year; please keep your eyes on the Internal Letter for the dates. NOTE THERE IS A CHANGE IN MEETING TIMES FOR THE SEPTEMBER IL. This is to avoid conflict with an event in Dragon's Mist and give us more time at the Symposium to learn and grow as a College. As a note, if you have not signed up to teach and you would like to, please make Meadhbha a happy Argent Scroll Herald and fill up her class spaces. :)

I am, as always, deeply appreciative of the work the commentary heralds do. Please try to keep comments constructive. I love you all and don't want to have to play Mean Herald and turn off people's access. We are going to begin using this tool for educational purposes, and I want to foster a positive learning environment.

Stay safe, and have fun with heraldry as we come to the grand finale of tourney season.

In service to the College,

Elizabeth Turner de Carlisle

Lions Blood Herald

LAUREL ACTIONS

The following is excerpted from the April 2010 LoAR cover letter.

From Wreath: Drinking Horns

Last month, there were a number of reblazons of pairs of drinking horns to match the newly defined default. Unfortunately, the new default was only stated in the acceptance for Óláfr Starkaðsson. We repeat and expand it here so that it is not overlooked. There has been no consistency in which part of the horn is the 'back', so 'horns addorsed' are not well defined. We have decided to define the longer, outer part of the curve as the back. The horns in Óláfr's submission are back-to-back, which makes them addorsed. Horns with the points facing towards each other are respectant; a "pair of drinking horns" is assumed to be respectant (it need not be blazoned). "Two drinking horns" will have both inner curves (fronts) pointed to sinister. All drinking horns will open to chief by default.

From Wreath: Divided Fields, Tinctures, and Strewn Charges

A submission this month asked for clarification on the subject of strewn charges on only part of a plain field. The LoI quoted the following precedents:

[Per bend sinister argent and argent semy-de-lys sable, on a bend sinister gules a sword inverted Or, in chief an elephant head cabossed sable] Current precedent disallows strewn charges on only part of a plain field, even when the field has a "natural" division such as an ordinary (see July 1998 LoAR, Miriel MacGregor), barring evidence that such fields were used in period armory. [Bohémond le Sinistre, 01/2001, Outlands]

and

[Per chevron pean and sable, on a chevron Or ...] It was the consensus of the College that a divided field in which the two parts are tinctures that share the same background is allowable if there is an ordinary to aid in the separation of the two parts, though the practice is not documented. [Thorgrimr inn kyrri, 02/2001, Atlantia]

The difference between the two is that an ordinary or other natural division is allowed to correct the style problem for tinctures, but not for strewn charges. Tinctures, even the ermined furs, are considered a single entity, not a field with charges strewn upon them. Charges may not be strewn on only one half of a divided field, even in the presence of an ordinary dividing the halves, when the halves share the same background tincture.

From Palimpsest: Rules Revision

Last year, the Laurel team put out a survey to the entire Known World regarding submissions of both names and devices to see if a rewrite of the Rules for Submission was needed. Over the last several months, my predecessor and her working group discussed the results of that survey and drafted a proposal for a new Rules for Submission. That draft, plus an addendum, are posted to OSCAR as four separate Palimpsest Rules Letters and also posted as a single PDF (at: http://heraldry.sca.org/rules2010/rules-2010-draft.pdf ). There was a roundtable discussion of this proposal at KWHSS and there is another one scheduled for Pennsic on Wednesday the 11th at 9am, at Herald's Point. Everyone, herald or not, is invited to join Laurel and company for this discussion. Additionally, everyone, herald or not, is invited to comment on the proposed draft Rules for Submission, either by commenting on OSCAR or by sending email to rules@heraldry.sca.org. Commentary is due by the end of August; please allow time for discussion of commentary.

The following items were registered by Laurel in April 2010

Anastasia Komnene. Name.

The submitter requested authenticity for 12th C Byzantine. This is an excellent name for that period.

Andrew Crowe and Rose Atherton. Joint badge. Argent, in pale three ravens volant to sinister sable, a tierce azure.

Please advise the submitters that the birds should be centered in the argent portion of the design.

Andronikos Belisariou. Name change from Marcus Andronicus.

His previous name, Marcus Andronicus, is retained as an alternate name.

Brynný Loðinsdóttir of Axewater. Device. Quarterly gules and azure, an axe bendwise sinister reversed argent and in canton a mullet Or.

Caitrina inghean Aindriasa. Badge change. (Fieldless) Eight thistles conjoined in annulo stems to center proper.

Her previous badge, Argent, eight thistles in annulo stems to center proper, is released.

Cara da Fortuna. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Fionnghuala ingen Chellaig. Name.

Listed on the LoI as Fionnghuala inghean Cheallaigh, the name was originally submitted as Fionnghuala ingen Cellaig and changed in kingdom to add the required lenition to the byname and to make the byname linguistically compatible with the given name. However, not all of these changes were necessary in order to make the name registerable. The byname ingen Cellaig does indeed need to have lenition added to the patronym, i.e., ingen Chellaig, but the submitter did not request authenticity. Therefore, the byname did not have to be changed from the Middle Irish form to the Early Modern Irish form. We have changed the name to Fionnghuala ingen Chellaig to restore it to a form closer to the originally submitted form.

This name combines Early Modern Irish and Middle Irish, which is a step from period practice.

Lothar filius Adalberti. Device. Quarterly arrondi argent and purpure, two trefoils in bend sinister Or.

This device is clear of the device of Gillian Brampton, Per bend sinister gules and vert, two trefoils Or. Precedent says:

[Quarterly argent and sable, in bend two cinquefoils gules] This is clear of Christiana dello Falco: Quarterly sable and argent, in bend sinister, two roses proper. There is one CD for the field and one CD for the arrangement of the primary charges. There was some concern raised in commentary that the position of the charges was forced by the field, but in this case the change in arrangement is still worth a CD. To paraphrase Boke and Black/Golden Pillar (the latter is the same person with a title change in between comment dates): The placement of the roses or the foils in both this device and the proposed conflict is not forced, since the field is neutral and the charges could have appeared anywhere except wholly on the sable parts. This circumstance is sufficient to allow a CD for the change in arrangement. [Ysabella de Montrose, LoAR 07/2004, A-Lochac]

Similarly, the placement of the trefoils is not forced here, as they could appear anywhere on either field except wholly on the argent portions of Lothar's device.

Monette Corbeau D'Anjou. Name.

Morgan Ó Síodhacháin. Name and device. Argent, a bird rising sable and on a chief rayonny azure three mullets of seven points argent.

Listed on the LoI as Morgan O Sheahan, the name was originally submitted as Morgan O'Siodhachain, and changed in kingdom because O'Siodhachain violates RfS III.1.a Linguistic Consistency by combining English O' with Gaelic Siodhachain. The LoI notes that the submitter prefers Morgan Ò Siodhachain if possible.

The spelling Ò Siodhachain is not correct; Early Modern Irish Gaelic does not use the grave accent in this way. The correct form is Ó Síodhacháin, with an acute accent. As we will register Gaelic names with or without accents, so long as they are used or omitted consistently, the form O Siodhachain is also registerable.

We have changed the name to Morgan O Siodhachain in order to register this name and to give the submitter a form as close to his submitted spelling as possible.

This name combines English and Gaelic, which is a step from period practice.

Please inform the submitter that the mullets should be drawn larger, to better fill the available space.

Owen Hallehyne. Device. Per pale argent and sable, a sinister wing and a dexter wing counterchanged.

This device is clear of the device of Osric de Wolf, Per pale argent and sable, a pithon displayed wings inverted counterchanged, under Section X.2 of the Rules for Submissions. Commenters asked if there was visual conflict under RfS X.5 between the two designs. There is not: Osric's pithon is visually distinct from a pair of wings.

Randolph of Sussex. Alternate name Jan Caterin of Wykham Market.

This name combines Dutch and English, which is a step from period practice.

Renée de Josselin. Name and device. Argent, a horse courant contourny sable and a bordure gules.

Sara de Bonneville. Name and device (see RETURNS for badge). Argent semy-de-lys sable, on a dance vert a fox courant argent.

Symonne La Merciere. Name and device. Per bend argent and Or, a talbot sejant gules and a bordure sable.

Listed on the LoI as Symonne la Merciere, the name was originally submitted as Symonne La Merciere and changed in kingdom to match the available documentation. Siren provides support for the originally submitted form:

[T]he byname <La Merciere> is found in Aryanhwy's "French Names from Paris, 1421, 1423, & 1438" (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/french/paris1423.html).

Given this citation, we have restored the name to the originally submitted form.

Tir Rígh, Principality of. Order name Order of the Blue Lily.

Tir Rígh, Principality of. Order name Order of the Blue Spear.

Tir Rígh, Principality of. Order name Order of the Guardians of Tir Rígh.

The submitters have permission to conflict with the Order of the Guardians of Atenveldt.

Tir Rígh, Principality of. Order name Order of the Silver Talon and badge. (Fieldless) In pale a bird's foot couped argent sustaining a hurt.

Tomas de Courcy. Name and device. Ermine, on a pale endorsed vert three roundels argent.

Excellent 13th C French name!

Laurel returned the following items for further work in April 2010

Cara da Fortuna. Device. Argent, on a chevron vert between three billets vert each issuant from flames paly gules and Or three bezants.

This device is returned for violating Section VII.7.a of the Rules for Submissions, which says that "Elements must be recognizable solely from their appearance." The combination of the symmetrical depiction of the flames with the paly tincturing rendered them unidentifiable by nearly all commenters.

Sara de Bonneville. Badge. (Fieldless) A fleur-de-lys sable and overall a fox's mask argent.

This device is returned for violating our ban on so-called 'barely overall' charges. Were the fox's mask larger, we could blazon it as surmounting the fleur-de-lys, or overall, and expect the emblazon to be reliably reproduced from the blazon. The mask is also not 'on' the fleur-de-lys, which would require it to be entirely surrounded by the sable of the fleur-de-lys, with no overlap of the outlines of the charges.

Commenters asked if this design was a step from period practice for using a non-leopard's head jessant-de-lys. The fleur-de-lys does not appear to be projecting from the mouth of the fox, so this is not a jessant-de-lys arrangement and there would be no step from period practice.

LIONS BLOOD ACTIONS

The following items have been forwarded to Laurel and are tentatively scheduled to be decided on in October 2010

Alden ap Owain - New Name & New Device 

Argent, three ravens in annulo widdershins within an annulet gules 

Berte le Webbere - New Name (see RETURNS for device)

Geoffroi FitzGeorge - New Device 

Argent, a scorpion fesswise contourny, on a chief gules three sheaves of arrows inverted Or 

Gwineth Blackthorne - New Name & New Device 

Purpure, in pale a dragon dormant and a domestic cat dormant to sinister argent

The given name was submitted as Gwyneth, however, the only documentation supplied for this spelling was a precedent from 1997 stating that "Gwyneth is acceptable as a plausible spelling of that name" in reference to a citation from Morgan & Morgan (Gwineth, 1577). We have changed it to reflect the actual documentation and ask Pelican to either confirm or overturn the previous registerability of the form Gwyneth, which the submitter prefers. 

Harðænni inn rauði - New Name & New Device 

Per saltire sable and gules, a boar dormant contourny argent 

Hraði inn rakki - New Name & New Device

Quarterly sable and gules, in bend sinister two triangles inverted Or 

Hauksgarðr, Canton of - Resub Device 

Argent, a hawk stooping to sinister and on a chief sable a tower argent, in base on a mountain of two peaks vert a laurel wreath argent 

Jenne la joieus - New Name 

The byname was submitted as la Joyeux, but no documentation was provided for this spelling. Commenting heralds found the feminine joieus dated to 1170, so we have changed the name to reflect the documentation. We note that this creates a step from period practice for temporal issues, but recognize it is the only one in the name. We ask the College of Arms for help documenting a form that is more temporally compatible with the early 17th century Jenne

John de Rokyngham - New Name & New Device 

Party of six argent and gules, three crosses patonce two and one 

Madyn Bach - Resub Name & Resub Device

Vert, an arrow palewise Or surmounted by a boar's head cabossed argent 

Mecia Raposa - Resub Device Change 

Purpure, a cameleopard passant Or marked sable and on a base enarched Or a mullet of seven points vert 

Mergret Dyer - New Name (see RETURNS for device)

Míceál de buitléir - New Name & New Device 

Sable, a quatrefoil knot within an annulet embattled on its outer edge argent 

We forward the device and ask Wreath to rule on this interpretation of a quatrefoil knot. This knot does not resemble any of the previously registered knots, which are not period depictions (the charge isn't even a period charge). It vaguely resembles the center of the Lacy knot, drawn crosswise rather than saltirewise. We think it is a suitable interpretation, but because it is the defining instance of this depiction, we want to make sure that it will actually be suitable. 

Nicole Hardel le Noreys - New Name Change 

Rhieinwylydd verch Einion Llanaelhaearn - New Household Name 

House of the Lion and Lily 

This was submitted as simply Lion and Lily, and thus lacked a designator. We added House for the Internal Letter, based on conversation with the submitter. Commentary showed that the pattern House X was not suitable for registration, so we have further amended it to add of the to match the documentation and precedent available:

Æric Ravenshaw. Household name House Silver Talon. 

This household name is returned for lack of documentation that it follows period patterns of English household names. 

[...] As Siren explains: 

[...] The structure has a problem; we find inn-sign names as <House of the X> or as <X House>, but not as <House X>.

Precedent from August 2008 discusses other patterns that household names based on inn-signs can have: 

[House Steel Fang]Finally, we note that none of the examples of household names based on signs that were provided on the LoI or in commentary support the pattern House [of] X. Instead, the documented patterns include X (with no designator; note that this pattern is not registerable as it violates RfS III.2.b), X Inn, X Tavern, X Brewhouse, and Sign of X. [Mederic de Chastelerault and Ameera al-Sarrakha, LoAR 08/2008, Atenveldt-R]. 

In the context of the current submission, all of House of the Silver Talon, Silver Talon House, Silver Talon Inn, Silver Talon Tavern, Silver Talon Brewhouse, and Sign of the Silver Talon are registerable. However, the submitter will not accept any changes, so we cannot change the name to one of these forms. [09/2009] 

Rhieinwylydd verch Einion Llanaelhaearn and Galeran Chanterel - New Badge 

(Fieldless) On a lion's face argent a fleur-de-lys azure

This submission is to be associated with House of the Lion and Lily.

Solbeliya Tayar - New Name & New Device 

Sable, a gurges argent, overall a two-legged wingless hydra doubly queued Or 

This name was submitted as Solbella Tayer, but the documentation showed the parts as Solbeliya Tayar. We have changed the name elements to match the client's documentation. 

Summits, Principality of the - New Badge 

(Fieldless) On a chalice azure two trumpets crossed in saltire argent 

This submission is to be associated with Summits College of Heralds

There was concern raised about the suitability of the two crossed trumpets in saltire, which Table 1 of the Glossary of Terms says is reserved for Heraldic Offices. We note that this is not a heraldic seal - it is a badge for the herald's office. Should the Summits ever become a Kingdom, at that time the badge could be made tinctureless and reclassified, but this is not intended for a heraldic seal of office at this time. It is intended as an badge for the Summits College to use in the manner of a populace badge. We note that there is precedent against using the badge as an official symbol of office, but again note that this is not intended as an official symbol of office. We request clarification from Wreath on this issue as to what is considered an "official" symbol and what is not. 

Taisiia Volchkova - New Device

Per fess dancetty sable and argent, a fess dancetty between a crescent and a wolf courant counterchanged 

Ymanya Blackeye - Resub Device 

Azure, a peacock in its splendour argent, in chief three bezants 

 

Lions Blood has returned the following items for further work

Berte le Webbere - New Device 

Argent, a wingless dragon embowed to sinister nowed vert, a bordure embattled sable 

The device is returned for redrawing. The wingless dragon is not in a standard posture. The term embowed modifies another heraldic posture, such as statant embowed or naiant embowed. Commenting heralds could not discern which heraldic posture this use of embowed was modifying. In addition, the bordure needs some beefing up. The merlons on the bordure should be as wide as they are tall. 

Eadric Aethelwulf - New Name & New Device 

Sable, a unicorn statant and in chief a pair of acorns slipped and leaved Or

The name is returned because the submitter allows no changes. This spelling of Aethelwulf is not attested, and commenting heralds could find no justification for it. The Old English Æthelwulf would be a suitable companion to Eadric, but we could not make this change in order to pass it forward. 

The device is returned for lack of a name to forward with it, and also for style issues. The first is the massive amount of pixellation that showed up on the forms; coloring in with the yellow marker only smeared this pixellation and made it nearly impossible to discern most of the internal detailing on the unicorn and the acorns. The second style issue is the depiction of the acorns. The acorn itself is drawn fesswise but the slips are bendwise. The acorns should either be completely one orientation or the other. 

Mergret Dyer - New Device

Azure, a garb Or and on a chief argent three bees volant sable marked Or

The device is returned for conflict with the armory of Phillipa Seton (August 1998 via AEthelmearc): Azure, a garb Or, on a chief argent three leaves bendwise sinister vert. There is a single CD for the cumulative changes to the tertiary charges. Changing the chief to Or and marking the bees argent is one way to clear this conflict. 

NEW SUBMISSIONS

1: Aleyn Wyckington - Resub Device

Argent, a set of bagpipes and a chief argent

The submitter's branch is Cragmere. The submitter's name was registered in August of 2008. His previous submission, Azure, on a plate between three mullets argent a hawk rising sable, was returned by Laurel in May 2009 for conflict.

This device is returned for conflict with the device of Steven of the Winged Hills, Sable, on a plate between three mullets argent an eagle displayed and sinister facing sable. There is one CD for changes to the field. Under the standards set on the Cover Letter to the November 2003 LoAR, "The two types of bird must have been drawn in fashions that were consistently very different from each other throughout period heraldry" if they are to have substantial difference. The primary difference between eagles and hawks in period heraldry is that eagles were nearly invariably drawn in the displayed posture and hawks were nearly always drawn as close, but there does not appear to have been much else that was different. According to Parker, "There are no conventional ways of representing the difference of the species of birds of prey in heraldic design." He also says that falcons and hawks are usually "represented with the appurtenances which belong to the art of falconry, that is, it is blazoned frequently as belled and jessed." Given that appurtenances are required to tell the difference, we conclude that the birds were not drawn differently. Since the bird types were not drawn differently in period, there is not significant difference between the two. Since only the posture is changed, there is not a CD under X.4.j.

It is also in conflict with Collette Ange de Helleville, Purpure, on a plate between three mullets argent a bird volant bendwise sinister sable, reblazoned elsewhere in this letter. There is one CD for the field. Since the bird in Collette's armory is drawn as a generic bird, there is no difference granted for just the change in posture.

It is not a conflict with the device of Thomas von Wörth, Azure, on a plate between four mullets, two and two, argent an owl sable. There is a CD for the change in number of mullets and a second CD for the change of type and posture of the bird.

2: Basilius Fuchs - Resub Appeal of Laurel Return of Name

• Submitter desires a male name.
• No major changes.
• Sound (none specified) most important.

The submitter's branch is Madrone.

This name was returned by Laurel in February of 2010

The byname Fuchs (meaning 'Fox') was ruled unregisterable on the April 2007 LoAR, as it violates RfS IV.1, which states "Pornographic or scatological terms will not be registered" because of the similarity in sound of Fuchs to a particular modern English word.

The following is quoted from the documentation section of the form:

Basilius ~ http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/germmasc/plauen16.html

Fuchs ~ http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/rottweilsur.html

No printouts of these sources were included with the submission.

The following letter was included with the submission.

This return is being appealed on the grounds that the name Fuchs is not offensive. In period, Fuchs was not an uncommon name. In fact, an important sixteenth century German herbal was written by a gentleman of the name Leonard Fuchs. The February 2010 LoAR stated that the byname means "the Fox." This meaning is neither scatological nor pornographic.

Fuchs, as an unmodified byname, has been registered in the past: Kunrad Fuchs (March 1993) and Valamar Schwarzem Fuchs (July 1998).

It appears that the true concern is with a mispronunciation of the byname. The byname is properly pronounced /fooks/ or /fyooks/. Neither of these pronunciations is close to the pronunciation of the term commonly called the f-bomb. Mispronunciations are not within the purview of the College of Heralds or the College of Arms. We do not return the byname Dumas, despite an easy mispronunciation that sounds like <dumb ass>.

We've registered the byname "Kuntz" (Arnold Kuntz, August 1994), which is much closer in sound to a colloquial, and derogatory, name for a part of the female anatomy. There are no returns of that byname, according to a Google search of the LoARs.

We also register German and Norse bynames that have the meaning of "the Ass," and our Rules for Submission even mention "Rudolfus der Esel 'the Ass" (RfS III.2.a.v). While the original meaning of the word was donkey, modernly the word refers to both donkey and human anatomy. We've also registered by Norse name "bakrauf," which, according to Geir Bassi, means "asshole." If these names that contain scatological references are registerable, then a byname with no scatagological reference should be registered.

Finally, a January 2009 episode of Family Feud featured a family by the name of Fuchs (http://www.vcstar.com/news/2009/jan/11/oxnard-clan-goes-distance-on-feud/). If such a family-friendly show is not concerned with the name, then perhaps the SCA is being overly sensitive to a possible mispronunciation.

The submitter also included a printout from the Eastern Washington University Faculty/Staff Directory (http://ewu.edu/core/directory.php) showing two employees with the last name of Fuchs.

3: Gaius Octavius Lunaris - New Name

• Submitter desires a male name.
• Client requests authenticity for 4th century, post 300-ish AD.
• Meaning (Octavianus from the town Luna) most important.

The submitter's branch is Terra Pomaria. His previous submission, Octaviantus Lunanus, was returned by Lions Blood in May 2009.

This name is being returned for lack of supporting documentation. The submitter desired the meaning of his name translation to mean, "Octavianus (one who is associated/adopted by Octavian)". However commentary given states that when Gaius Julius Caesar (the Julius Caesar of history) adopted Gaius Octavius Thurinus, the young man followed the Roman fashion in taking his adopted father's name for his own, and appending a adjectival form of his (now dropped) nomen to the end. Thus, he became Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus. Historians in the English-speaking world have Anglicized the last name to Octavian. Thus Octavianus does not mean "one who is associated with/adopted by Octavian." However, if the submitter can prove use of "Octavianus," other than THE Octavian(us), then the name is acceptable. Unfortunately the submitter did not have any supporting documentationand although he will accept any changes, we need something in which to base the changes on.

The following is quoted from the documentation section of the form. Copies of all documentation were included with the submission.

The name is an example of the tria nomina - "three names" - naming pattern of the Romans. The three names are the "praenomen," a given name; the "nomen" or clan name; and the "cognomen," originally a personal nickname but later used to identify a branch of the clan. This information is part of the report listed for Gaius below.

1. Gaius from no photocopy list used above. Caius as documented is an older form of the spelling Gaius in 203 A.D. http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?2661+0

2. Octavius interestingly enough can be found for all three parts of the roman name. In the nomen position in 46 B.C. it can be seen here: http://books.google.com/books?id=PJ0YAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=a+dictionary+of+greek+and+roman+biography+and+mythology+oarses+zygia&hl=en&ei=J_5ZTOHDA46esQOE_vTfDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

3. Lunaris can be found in A History of Roman Britain By Peter Salway on page 416 for 237 A.D.

http://books.google.com/books?id=spyCIqTzJu0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=history+of+roman+britain+salway&hl=en&ei=tP5ZTNXvJIqesQOsg8TACw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=lunaris&f=false

4. and in Britannia: a history of Roman Britain By Sheppard Sunderland Frere on Page 315 for the same year

[from Boar: I cannot get this up on Google books so don't have a link to give you; however, the printout included references M. Aurelius Lunaris in 237).

The submitter also included a photocopy of a geneaological tree from the Frere book mentioned above; again, it looks like a printout from Google books. It shows the name Octavius used as a nomen between 230 BC and 50 BC.

3: Gaius Octavius Lunaris - New Device

Per bend sinister wavy purpure and argent, a bend sinister wavy counterchanged between a natural tyger salient argent marked sable and a ruse gules barbed slipped and leaved vert, a bordure countercha

His previous device submission, which was identical to this one, was returned by Lions Blood in May 2009.

This device is being returned as already in the short time the paperwork has been in the Lions Blood Herald's possession, thepencil crayon has faded to a much lighter version of what it must have been upon submission and cannot be forwarded as is. Crayola markers are the recommended medium for submissions as the colour stays true. Please also note that the bordure is counterchanged over the bend sinister. This appears to count as a weirdness.

Relevant precedents:

[a pile sable ... a bordure counterchanged] Given that we allow other peripherals to be counterchanged across an ordinary, we see no reason to disallow it here. However, this practice is not good style and therefore counts as a weirdness. [Duncan Arthur Ross the Black, 07/01, A-Ansteorra]

[registering a pall inverted surmounted by an orle counterchanged.] We allow an ordinary surmounted by another to be counterchanged. While this is not good style, it is at worst one wierdness. (Pietro Niccolo da San Tebaldo, 8/96 p.5).

4: Gaius Octavius Lunaris - New Badge

Per bend sinister wavy purpure and argent, a bend sinister wavy and a bordure counterchanged

His previous badge submission, identical to this, was submitted to Lions Blood in April 2009. The May 2009 letter does not mention the decision on his badge; Boar surmises it was returned for the same reason as his device (colored pencil & degrading forms).

5: Geralt Mac Aodha - New Name

• Submitter desires a male name.
• No major changes.
• Sound (not specified) most important.
• Language (11th - 12th c Irish) most important.
• Culture (11th - 12th c Irish) most important.

The submitter's branch is Adiantum.

The following is quoted from the documentation section of the form. Copies of the sources referenced were included with the submission packet.

<Geralt> is dated as early as 1251 and as late as 1540 in the raw data on the name <Garalt> in "Index of Names in Irish Annals" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Garalt.shtml). The standard late period form of this name is shown as <Gearalt> but the alternate spelling in the raw data is preferred.

<Mac Aodha> means "son of Aodh." This is the correct genitive form as shown in Mari's index for the name <Aodh> (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Aed.shtml). According to Black, this name gave rise to the Scottish surname "MacKay."

6: Gryffyth ap Madyn - New Name

• Submitter desires a male name.
• No major changes.
• Sound (not specified) most important.

The submitter's branch is Aquaterra.

The following is quoted from the documentation section of the form. No copies of the sources referenced were included with the submission packet.

Gryffyth - "A Simple Guide to Constructing 16th Century Welsh Names (in English Contexts)" http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/welsh16.html

Madyn - "A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Ceentury Welsh Names" http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/welsh13.html

I am aware that Madyn is 300 year prior to 15th Century. However, I have found this name in modern use, and conjecture that it likely would have been used in this time period as well.

7: GUSTAV MAN LORN - Resub Name

GUSTAV MAN LORNE

• Submitter desires a male name.
• No major changes.
• Sound (not specified) most important.

The submitter's branch is Krakafjord.

His original submission, Gustav Man Lorn , was returned by Laurel in February 2010:

Commenters found several ways to look at this name, all of which produced options for the submitter to consider, but none of these variants was registerable without a major change to the submitted name, which he does not allow.

No support was found for a name construction of a inherited surname or the unmarked patronymic byname followed by an unmarked locative byname. However, support was found for an inherited surname followed by a marked locative byname. Following this pattern, this name would be registerable as Gustav Man de Lorn or Gustav Man of Lorn.

Support was also found for two inherited surnames joined by alias, e.g., John Johnston alias Jonston 1463, John Gray, alias Barbour 1463, William Oughtre alias Parker 1475, and John Borelle alias Steward 1482, in Black, The Surnames of Scotland, pp. li-lii. These examples support the form Gustav Man alias Lorn.

The element Man can also be viewed as a given name. Black (p. 574 s.n. Main) gives one origin of the surname Main as being from the Norse given name Magnus. In this entry, he includes examples of Mane as a surname form of this name, though all the examples of that spelling are categorized under the alternate origin. Aryanhwy merch Catmael, "Index of Scots names found in Dictionary of the Older Scottish Tongue", s.n. Mane, dates Mane as a given name to 1534. Black (p. 581 s.n. Manson) gives Manson as an assimilated form of Magnusson but includes an example of Mans as a given name: Mans Magnussonn to 1602. Based on these examples, it is may be plausible that Man was in use in the 16th C as a variant of Mane, Mans. However, viewing the submitted name in this manner results in two given names with a Scots byname, which is a step from period practice [Robert Cory MacPherson, 08/2008, R-Calontir]. There is also a step from period practice for combining Swedish and Scots. Together these two steps from period practice result in the name being unregisterable.

Noir Licorne found an entry for a burial of Jerom Lorne in Somerset, England on 01 Jan 1585 (Somerset: Bruton Parish Registers 1554-1680, "Burialls" book, extracted at ancestry.com). This record, combined with the documentation in the LoI for Man as an English surname, allows us to view this name as having two English surnames. Because we register names with two surnames in this manner in English, the example found by Noir Licorne would support Gustav Man Lorne as a registerable form of this name. However, a change in language is a major change, which the submitter does not allow. Therefore, we are unable to change Lorn to the documented English form Lorne in order to register this name.

In addition to these options, the name is also registerable with either byname dropped; as Gustav Man or as Gustav Lorn. However, since dropping an element is also a major change, we are unable to drop an element to register this name.

It is our hope that this information proves useful to the submitter and that one of these options may appeal to him.

Note that the submitter listed his 'Society Name' as Gustav Man Lorn, the returned version, but Gustav Man Lorne as the name being submitted.

The all-caps for his name is original to the form.

The following is quoted from the documentation section of the form. No photocopies were included.

Taken from returned submission letter:

Noir Licorne found an entry for a burial of Jerom Lorne in Somerset, England on 01 Jan 1585 (Somerset: Bruton Parish Registers 1554-1680, "Burialls" book, extracted at ancestry.com). This record, combined with the documentation in the LoI for Man as an English surname, allows us to view this name as having two English surnames. Because we register names with two surnames in this manner in English, the example found by Noir Licorne would support Gustav Man Lorne as a registerable form of this name. However, a change in language is a major change, which the submitter does not allow. Therefore, we are unable to change Lorn to the documented English form Lorne in order to register this name.

7: GUSTAV MAN LORN - Resub Device

Argent, a bend vert and overall a catamount's head couped contourny sable

The submitter's device was returned by Laurel in February 2010.

Since Gustav does not allow the creation of a holding name, we are forced to return his device.

The device is clear of the device of Cedric Helmcleaver, Argent, a bend vert, overall a Norman helm sable cleaved by an axe fesswise reversed gules. The axe is a sustained charge, so this has three CDs: for the change of type, number, and tincture of overall charges.

Note that on his device form, he did list his name as GUSTAV MAN LORNE, but we were forced to list it here as MAN LORN (without the final E) in order for OSCAR to behave itself.

8: Hafr-Tóki - New Name

• Submitter desires a male name.
• No major changes.
• Language (Old Norse (Western Scandinavia/Iceland c. 900 AD) most important.
• Culture (Old Norse (Western Scandinavia/Iceland c. 900 AD) most important.

The submitter's branch is Aquaterra.

The following is quoted from the documentation section of the form.

Hafr-Tóki is a constructed Old Norse name. Hafr- is a prefixed byname, from [Geirr Bassi], p22; Tóki is a male given name, from [Geirr Bassi], p15. The byname is prefixed according to the style described in [Geirr Bassi], p18.

 

8: Hafr-Tóki - New Device

Sable, a chevron rompu inverted Or

9: Johannes Kai von Buxtehude - New Name

• Submitter desires a male name.
• No major changes.
• Sound (not specified) most important.
• Language (14th c. German) most important.
• Culture (14th c. German) most important.

The submitter's branch is Adiantum.

The following is quoted from the documentation section of the form. Printouts of the documentation for "Johannes" and " Buxtehude" were included in the submission packet.

<Johannes> appears as agiven name three times in "German Names from Rottweil, Baden-Württemberg, 1441" by Sara L. Uckleman (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/rottweil1441.html)

<Kai> is the vernacular form of the Latin name <Caius>. It appears in all forms of the Arthurian legends as <Kay>, though variant spellings include <Kai> and <Cai>. Alternatively, this element can be documented as German word meaning "wharf" or "place where ships are loaded"; the town of Buxtehude is situated on a river bank. Either way you choose to interpret this element, the name either has two given names or two bynames; the latter interpretation would give "Johannes from the wharf of Buxtehude". The given name interpretation is preferred, but likely needs more documetnation - help from the College is appreciated and requested.

<von Buxtehude> means "of Buxtehude". The town's name appears as surname is Brechenmacher, s.n. <Buxtehude>, dated to 1459. The modern town dates to 1285, though another town not far from it bore the name as early as 959. The modern spelling of the placename first shows up in 1230. [Ehlers, Caspar, Lutz Fenske, and Adolf E. Hofmeister, eds. _Die deutschen Ko"nigspfalzen_, Band 4, Niedersachsen, Dritte Lieferung, Buxtehude - Gieboldehausen (Go"ttingen: Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht, 2001); p. 235]. This book can be found at http://books.google.com/books?id=EFf428vbBz0C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false on a limited preview. Screenshots containing the pertinent information in the book are enclosed.

10: Somerled of Ballindore - New Device

Checky azure and argent, a dragon volant vert

The submitter's branch is Borealis. The submitter's name was registered in August 2009.

11: Taran MacAngus - New Device

Argent, a harp reversed sinister and on a chief vert three equal-armed crosses argent

The submitter's branch is Adiantum. The submitter's name was registered in December 1996.

Thus ends the August Internal Letter of Intent.

I remain,

yours in service,

Rhieinwylydd verch Einion Llanaelhaearn

Boar Pursuivant

An Tir OSCAR counts: 5 New Names, 4 New Devices, 1 New Badge. This gives 10 new items. Resub counts: 2 Resub Names, 2 Resub Devices. This is a total of 4 resubmissions on this letter, for a total of 14 actions.

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