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An Tir IL dated 2008-05-05 (Jump to Submissions)

Though this is appearing as a separate letter, this is actually all those submissions that I somehow missed when putting together the May IL. To those submitters who are listed in this letter I most humbly and profusely apologize. To the College of Heralds of An Tir, I also most humbly and profusely apologize. I will endeavor not to let it happen again.

Li Ban Boar

1: Dearbháil ingean uí Dhonnchaidh - New Badge

Fieldess, a maunch vert ermined argent.

The submitter's branch isWyewood.

The submitter's name was registered in September of 2006.

2: Elin Karlsdotter - Resub Device

Per bend sinister azure and argent a bow drawn with arrow bendwise argent and three ermine spots gules.

The submitter's branch is Wyewood.

The submitter's name was registered in December of 2006.

The submitter's previous device submission of Azure, a chevron fimbriated between three mullets of six point argent was returned by Kingdom in September of 2006 for conflict with Karl de Blenkinsopp: Azure, a chevron argent charged with another gules, in chief two mullets of eight points argent.

3: Elizabeth Turner de Carlisle - New Badge

(Fieldless) A chevronel couped argent.

The submitter's branch is Coeur du Val.

The submitter's name was registered in December of 2007.

Included with this submission is the following note:

"I realize precedent stands that single diminutives are not registerable:

"There is no difference between a single chevronelle and a chevron; at this time we would blazon any single central "chevronelle" as a chevron regardless of how narrowly it was drawn, to be in keeping with period armorial practices. [Aclina of Wyvern Heyghts, 02/03, R-Caid]

"If this must be blazoned "(Fieldless) A chevron couped argent" that is fine. I would, however, prefer a chevronel because my device is "Sable, two chevronels and in chief an arrow fesswise argent.""

4: Eowyn Rindill - Resub Name

• Submitter desires a female name.
• No major changes.
• Language (Anglo-Saxon and Old Norse) most important.

The submitter's branch is Coeur du Val.

The submitter will not accept major changes, desires a feminine name and cares most about the language and/or culture of her name (Anglo-Saxon and Old Norse). She expresses no interest in having her name changed to be authentic and will allow the creation of a holding name.

<Eowyn> is a constructed byname from elements found in Searle, W.G. Onomasticon Anglo-Saxiconum; specifically the protheme <Eo-> and the deuterotheme <-wyn>. It is also discussed in St. Gabriel report #826 which says in pertinent part, "<Eowyn> appears to be Old English feminine given name, but it is not one that is recorded in our references. It is plausible: The element <Eo-> exists, though it is rare, and <-wyn> was very common [1]." Reference number 1 in this report is Boehler, Maria Die altenglischen Frauenamen.

<Rindill> is found in Geirr Bassi The Old Norse Name as a byname meaning "wren".

The combination of Anglo-Saxon/Old English and Old Norse is a step from period practice per precedent of François: Listed on the LoI as Ethelflea Davidsdohter, the name was originally submitted as Ethelfleda Davidsdottir. David was documented as English and -dottir as Old Norse, so it was changed at kingdom to be lingually consistent. Metron Ariston found that Geirr Bassi (p. 9) lists Dávið as a Norse name. Therefore, Dáviðsdóttir is a reasonable patronymic in Old Norse. As Old Norse names may use or not use accents, we have left them off. Mixing Old English and Old Norse is a weirdness. [Ethelfleda Daviðscottir, A-Atlantia, 12/2001].

5: Gernot von Meer - New Name

• Meaning ('from the sea' or 'of the sea') most important.

The submitter's branch is Wealdsmere.

The submitter will accept any changes, desires a masculine name and cares most about the meaning of his name (Wish `from the sea' or `of the sea' to be in name; Gernot is as important). He wishes his name changed to be authentic for 14th Century German language and/or culture. He will allow the creation of a holding name.

The following is quoted from the documentation section of the name form:

"Gernot Documentation: "Medieval German Given Names from Silesia: Men's Names" by Talan Gwynek (Brian M. Scott) http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/bahlow/bahlowMasc.html.

"I am requesting help with the name "von Meer". I do not kno if this is correct for 4th Century German. I would like a name surname that has the meaning from the sea or of the sea or the like. Any help you could provide is appreciated."

5: Gernot von Meer - New Device

Argent, a triskele in chief two compass stars azure.

6: Grece of Huntingdonshire - Resub Device

Per pale sable and argent, a wolf's head affronty within a bordure counter-changed.

The submitter's branch is Lions Gate.

The submitter's name was forwarded to Laurel in November of 2007.

Her previous device submission of Per pale sable and argent, a wolf's head affronty counterchanged was returned by Kingdom at the same time for conflict with Ulfheiðr Vígdísar dóttir: Per pale sable and argent, a wolf's head cabossed counterchanged maintaining a rose gules slipped and leaved vert and Emily of Swordcliff: Per pale sable and argent, a wolf's head cabossed per pale argent and vert.

7: Guillaine Rosalind de Gualle - Resub Device

Per pale sable and gules, on a bend sinister, doubly cotised argent, three fleur-de-lys pale wise counter changed.

The submitter's branch is Borealis.

The submitter's name was registered as Guillaine Rosalind de Gaulle in October of 1998.

Her previous device submission of Per pale gules and sable, on a bend sinister cotised argent three fleu-de-lis pale wise counterchanged of the field was returned by Kingdom in August 2007 for conflict with Julina du Beaumont: Vert, on a bend sinister cotised argent three lilies palewise sable.

8: Johannes Dehn - New Name

• Submitter desires a male name.
• No major changes.
• Language (Dehn = Old German for "The Dane"; Johannes = German, Danish for John) most important.

The submitter's branch is Madrone.

The submitter will not accept major changes, desires a masculine name and cares most about the language and/or culture of his name (Dehn = Old German for "The Dane"; Johannes = German, Danish for John). He expresses no desire to have his name changed to be authentic and will allow the creation of a holding name.

The following is quoted from the documentation section of the name form:

"Documentation is attached but to summarize:

"Surname found in Herald approved book "The Medieval Tournament" by R. Coltman Clephan pg 90.

"the name of Hans Dehn is referred to 3 times in regard to a [sic] oil painting from 1566 of two knights who are jousting, excerpt: "One of them, like the last picture in the tournament book Vol III, depicts the last joust of the Kurfürst August, run against his ennobled master armourer Hans Dehn, in the year 1566; and it bears the title, "Ein Renned mit Hannss Dehnen gethan, der is alleine gefallen." …". The painting exhibits the moment when Has Dehn is in the act of being hurled from his horse by the Kurfürst, his lance falling to the ground."

"Surname also found in Herald approved book "German Names' by Hans Bahlow page 72.

""Dehn, Dehne, :: the Dane (Denmark's sphere of influence in the Middle Ages extended beyond the Eider River) Dene, Lub., Ro., Greifswald, Stralsund, 1300 - 1400.

"First Name also found in the same book, "German Names" by Hans Bahlow page 251

"excerpt: "Johannes:: Numerous sh.fs. show that Johannes [John] was the most frequent Christian name at the end of the Middle Ages.""

8: Johannes Dehn - New Device

Per Pale azure and sable, a Lion and a Horse combatant argent; in chief argent, an Eagle displayed sable.

9: Kaeso Petronius Gallus - Resub Device

Per pale sable and gules, a goutte d'eau.

The submitter's branch is Vinjar.

The submitter's name was registered in October of 2007.

The submitter's previous device submission of the same blazon was returned in January of 2008 for conflict with Brocc of Alderden: (Fieldless) A goutte d'eau.

Included with this submission is the following letter:

"Permission to Confict

"SCA as Kaeso Petronius Gallus permission for his/her armory "per pale sable and gules a goutte argent" to look similar to, but not identical to, my armory "(Fieldless) A goutte d'eau". I understand that this permission cannot be withdrawn once [mundane name redaced]'s armory is registered."

It is dated 4/8/08 and is signed. [Nowhere in the letter does it state a name other than Kaeso's - Lí Ban]

10: Kaeso Petronius Gallus - New Blanket Permission to Conflict

The submitter's branch is Vinjar.

The text of the Blanket Permission to Conflict letter reads as follows: "I [mundane name redacted], known in the SCA as Kaeso Petronius Gallus, waive the full protection of my registered name "Laeso Petronius Gallus". I grant permission to any future submitter to register a name that is not identical to my registered name. I understand that this permission can be withdrawn by written notice to the Laurel Sovereign of Arms, but that conflicting items registerd while it is in force will remain registered."

It is signed by the submitter and dated Feb 7/08.

11: Kean de Lacy - New Device Change

Azure, in chief a fox couchant to sinister argent.

Old Item: Per pale sable and argent, a Lacy knot and a bordure per pale argent and azure., to be retained.

The submitter's branch is Madrone.

The submitter's name was registered in November of 1998.

The submitter wishes his currently registered device of Per pale sable and argent, a Lacy knot and a bordure per pale argent and azure to be retained as a badge.

12: Lions Gate, Barony of - Resub Appeal of Laurel Return of Order Name

Order of the Lion's Pinion

• No changes.
• Sound (unspecified) most important.

The submitter's name was registered in September of 1986.

The submitter will not accept any changes to the name and cares most about the sound of the name (unspecified). The submitter expresses no interest in having the name changed to be authentic.

Included with this submission is the following appeal letter:

"Unto Countess Elisabeth de Rossignol, Laurel Queen of Arms; and all esteemed members of the College of Arms does Uilliam mac Fearchair, Seneschal of Lions Gate, send greetings,

"I write to you this day concerning the return of the following Order Name in the May 2007 LoAR:

"Lion's Gate, Barony of. Order name Order of the Lions Pinion.

"The submitters have not demonstrated that this order name follows period meta-patterns for order names. The meta-pattern for this name is listed as "heraldic charge." Now, the OED has three possible definitions for this term that could fall under this pattern: as a rare heraldic term for a chevron, as a segment of a bird's wing, bearing the primary flight feathers, and as the shoulder-blade of a mammal. The submitters are claiming the third sense. However, are two problems with this. First, the definition of a pinion as a part of a wing is the one likely to come to mind, and lions don't generally have wings. Second, there are no registrations of either a pinion, a shoulder, or a shoulder blade, nor have the submitters or any of the commenters found such a charge used in period heraldry. This, then, requires documentation showing that a shoulder blade is a reasonable and unique heraldic charge, and that a lion's shoulder blade is distinct from the shoulder blade of other creatures shoulder blades (or at least from other non-feline creature's shoulder blades). Neither the submitters nor the commenters have provided such documentation. Barring documentation demonstrating that a lion's pinion has a unique depiction suitable for use as a heraldic charge, this order name is not registerable.

"I wanted to bring to your attention that it was at the Kingdom submission level that it was decided to putthe Order name forward with the definition of `pinion' as a shoulder blade of a quadruped. This was not our intention.

"Please see attached paperwork that was submitted to the Lions Blood Herald of An Tir by our then Sable Loat, Caitrina inghean Aindriasa. It will show that the original documentation for this resubmission was in the Oxford Dictionary under Pinion.

""Pinion, sb'2 1659 [ad. F. pignon, perch, a use of OF, Pignon battlement.] Mech, A small cog-wheel the teeth of which engage with those of a larget one; also a spincle, arbor, or axle, having cogs or teeth which engage with the teeth of a wheel."

"As a cog-wheel is found in the Pictorial Dictionary as a heraldic charge and our Barony's populace badge is a portcullis, this was our desired meaning behind the Order of the Lion's Pinion. Although we realize that the year 1659 is slightly out of period, the word Pinion was first entered in the 15th Century.

"Thus we send this appeal for your consideration."

The letter is signed by Uilliam mac Fearchair, Seneschal of Lions Gate.

An Tir OSCAR counts: 2 New Names, 2 New Devices, 1 New Device Change, 2 New Badges, 1 New Blanket Permission to Conflict. This gives 8 new items. Resub counts: 1 Resub Name, 1 Resub Order Name, 4 Resub Devices. This is a total of 6 resubmissions on this letter, for a total of 14 actions.

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