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An Tir April 1 IL dated 2008-04-01 (Jump to Submissions)

Unto Crisper Black Kitty and the dismayed members of the Ant Ear Colgate of Horrids upon whom this letter is inflicted, greetings from Tucktangle, Purseswearvant at Luge, tag-teaming for Lo Bridge, Brrrrrr Herald and Cantreadya Loins Boot Herald because they're too cowardly, err, busy, to perpetrate their own mayhem. The bulk of the following can be blamed on Baseball Downastrike,

1: A Posiç{a~}o de l'Endroit del Lugar, Pagus de - New Branch Name

The submitter asks the CoA to accept <Pagus> as an alternate for Canton, being the best translation into Latin.

The submitting group is all about change.

As noted in the RfS, III.1, names may be formed from up to three languages. As well, the collected Lingual Weirdness Rulings (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/precedents/CompiledNamePrecedents/weirdness_table.html) show no weirdness for combining Spanish and French or Spanish and Portuguese, and only a weirdness for combining French and Portuguese. Since a branch designator is transparent in a name, there is effectively no fourth language in the name, nor is there any need to check for weirdnesses.

2: Abu ibn Muhammad Muhammad ibn Abi ibn 'Abd Allah ibn Abi ibn 'Umar ibn Abi ibn Uthman ibn - New Name Change

Abu ibn Muhammad Muhammad ibn Abi ibn 'Abd Allah ibn Abi ibn 'Umar ibn Abi ibn Uthman ibn Abi ibn 'A

Old Item: Henry the Farmer, to be released.

The full name is as follows (since it won't fit in the appropriate field: Abu ibn Muhammad Muhammad ibn Abi ibn 'Abd Allah ibn Abi ibn 'Umar ibn Abi ibn Uthman ibn Abi ibn 'Ali

The submitter's branch is genealogical. And much too long.

The submitter will not accept any changes, desires a masculine name, and will allow the creation of a hold-up name.

The submitter points to http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/arabic-naming2.htm for the use of the parent's kunya in a nasab. Two quotes should suffice: "When the parent in a nasab is referred to by his kunya, the word <abu> becomes <abi>, e.g., Muhammad's son-in-law was <`Ali ibn Abi Talib>, '`Ali the son of Abu Talib', or '`Ali, the son of the father of Talib'. and <Yazid ibn Abi Hakim> is 'son of the father of Hakim' (one generation nasab where the father's name is a kunya).

<Muhammad>, <'Abd Allah>, <'Umar>, <Uthman>, and <'Ali> are all to be found on the cited web page.

See also http://www.aaiil.info/misconceptions/revelation/revcomp.htm regarding Abu Ibn Ka`b, a contemporary of the Prophet Muhammad. Note that this is a kunya using the son's (first generation) nasab.

Combining these, we can see that, logically, a nasab where the father is known by his kunya which itself contains a nasab should be permitted. For an example of this, see http://www.buy.com/prod/ibn-qayyim-al-jawziyya-on-the-invocation-of-god-al-wabil-al-sayyib/q/loc/106/30527938.html where the author's full name, Muhammad ibn Abi ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya, is given. Note that the all-caps <ABI> is certainly a typo; also note that Muhammad ibn Abi ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya is the original author, and lived in our period.

If the name is registered, the submitter wishes his old name of Henry the Farmer to be released, to go frolic through the woods and fields, free of all worries.

3: Ant Ear, Kingkong of - New Badge

Gyronny of eight, sable vert azure and gules, on a scroll argent a brock statant proper.

For Keeper Of The Bunch Of Pretty (Heraldic) Pictures

The brunch name was registered around 10:30 A.M. last Sunday.

The designator is generic.

4: Carolus Ludovicus Dodgius filii - New Name

The submitter's branch has a cat sitting on it. Unless the cat has disappeared.

The submitter will accept minor changes, desires a masculine name, and cares most about the nonsense of the name.

He doesn't care what you think is authentic, and will allow the creation of a hold-up name.

If changes must be made, the submitter is willing to drop <Ludovicus>

<Carolus> - Withycombe, s.n. Carol, most famously of course in Carolus Magnus.

<Ludivicus> - <Ludivicus> and the use of double given names are attested in the late period name Franciscus Ludovicus Blosius; see

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9015731/Franciscus-Ludovicus-Blosius

The submitter wishes a, as he puts it, "Latianized name such as a scholar would have used in 16th century England, or maybe on the Continent."

<Dodgius> - Volkomen Uitgevonden, Nomina Commenta Omnino (s.n. Doggius) dates <Dodgius> to 1495

The submitter has supplied copies of the documentation. These copies are to be praised as they are something we could all understand; they are free of all merely conventional signs. We've got our brave Captain -- excuse me, submitter -- to thank that he's brought us the best -- A perfect and absolute blank!

Photocopies of all kinds of stuff are included with this submission, including a recipe for pepper soup with baby pig.

[Note from Tucktangle: Although a device form was received with this submission, it has since disappeared and we've looked all over for it, including down the hole in the yard. The only clue anyone has to its current whereabouts is the occasional faint ,"My stars and planets!" we hear out by the mailbox. Assistance in locating the submitter's device would be most appreciated; you'll find us in the yard under a tree, taking a nap.]

4: Carolus Ludovicus Dodgius filii - New Device

Quarterly gules and argent, a maiden statant affronty crined Or vested per pale argent and azure between palewise in saltire a rabbit sejant erect argent vested of a weskit gules maintaining in the de

5: Filberta de Gibbet - New Name

The submitter's branch is Madroneonandonandonandonandon... [cut off]

The submitter will accept changes, (If you really think I need to, but are you sure? Because I've really thought long and hard about this, and researched it and everything...) desires a feminine name (...because, well, I'm a gal, don't you know! *grin*) and cares most about the sound of her own voice. She will allow the creation of a hold-up name. (Though a hold-me name would sound friendly don't you think? I hope that's not too forward.)

<Filberta> is found in the Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names (Though I wish they'd said Personal Names, why do they assume everyone is Christian, not that I'm against Christians, I just... [cut off])

<de Gibbet> - Reaney, P.H. and R. M. Wilson s.n. <Giblet> has <atte Gibbet> and atte and de should be similar enough for the submission to be acceptable. (At least I think so, they're both of or at or something like that when it's a place, aren't they? So that should be fine -- oh, speaking of Reaney and Wilson, do you know what Wilson called ol' P.H.? I mean, it's scandalous, really, they way they fought all the time and just cut each other dead over the slightest... [cut off])

Examples of persons using de and atte interchangeably can be found at Frival's "Curious Name Thingies Of Interest, Well I Think So" at http:www.frivalo.usfoldersubfoldersubsubfolderhowlongcanIkeep hisupCNTOIWITS.hmtl (Oh, I hope I did that right, these web addresses are so confusing! Why are they done like this? I mean, when the Internet was being designed, couldn't someone... [cut off]) For example, an alderman of York is called <Jacopo de Well> in one place, and <Jacob atte Wall> in another. Allowing for the changeable orthography of the time, and the fact that "Jacopo" and "Jacob" are both the same name, really this is clearly using de and atte interchangeably. (BTW, did you know "orthography" originally meant "writing straight up and down"?)

Photocopies of the web page are (Um, right around here, I mean I had them in my hands not five minutes ago, well, 10 or 15 minutes but not that long ago I mean I'm sureIhavethemOhblastwhere'dIputthem --- Um, can I mail them in later?)

6: Heinrich Nichtzelt - New Name

• Submitter desires a male name.
• No changes.

The submitter's branch is long and stout, if a bit crooked.

The submitter will not accept any changes, and desires a masculine name.

He will allow the creation of a hold-up name.

<Heinrich> - Bellow, Deutsches Nameslexikon, translation by Gentle Eddy (s.n. Heinie) dates <Heinrich> to 541 BCE.

<Nichtzelt> - Brechenplaztgemachereisenrosen (s.n. Nichtzeit) dates <Nichtzelt> to 1541.6

6: Heinrich Nichtzelt - New Device

Vert, four, Stakes In, saltire, Or

7: Ian the Utter Bounder - New Name

• Submitter desires a male name.
• No changes.
• Meaning most important.

The submitter's branch has been used as a cudgel, both by and against the submitter.

Submitter desires a male name.

Meaning (let's not go into details, shall we) most important.

The submitter will not allow any changes, being quite happy with himself as he is, and doesn't care what a stuffy bunch of old fogies thinks. Ian is the submitter's legal name, so there.

<Ian> is the submitter's mundane legal given name. A photocopy of his driver license is included.

<Utter> - from the online OED. A print out from online OED showing it, as an adjective, in various senses such as "total, complete" dated to the early 15th century, is included. The appropriate sections have been highlighted.

<Bounder> - from the online OED. A print out from online OED showing it in the sense "One who sets or marks out bounds or limits. lit. and fig." dated to 1570, is included. The appropriate section has been highlighted.

7: Ian the Utter Bounder - New Badge

(Shameless) A checkered past charged (amongst other crimes) with a devil habilimented as a nun, all most improper.

8: Karl das Braun - New Name

• Submitter desires a male name.
• No changes.

The submitter's branch is eating his kite.

The submitter will not accept any changes, and desires a male name.

He will allow the creation of a hold-up name.

<Karl> - Bellow, Deutsches Nameslexikon, translation by Gentle Eddy (s.n. Karl) dates <Karl> to 907

<das Braun> - Bellow, Deutsches Nameslexikon, translation by Gentle Eddy (s.n. Brun) dates <das Braun> to 1291

8: Karl das Braun - New Device

Or, a dance sable.

9: Lettice Saled - New Name

• Submitter desires a female name.
• No major changes.

The submitter's branch is Balsamic Vinjargrette.

The submitter will accept minor changes, specifically including presentation of her name in the most attractive manner. She wishes a feminine English flavor for her name.

<Lettice> is dated 1273, 1300 in 'Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames' by Talan Gwynek at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/reaneyintro.html

<Saled> is dated 1297 in Reaney & Wilson, s.n. Sallitt.

10: Maynerd de Liion - New Name

• Submitter desires a male name.
• Sound most important.

The submitter's branches are all connected by wireless ethernet.

The submitter will allow any change that makes the name more leet, desires a male name and cares most about the sound of the name. He expresses no interest in having his name changed to be authentic and will allow the creation of a hold-up name.

Witheredcombe (s.n. Maynard) dates <Maynerd> to 1459 in England.

<Liion> can be found at Frival's "Curious Name Thingies Of Interest, Well I Think So" at http://www.frivalo.us/folder/subfolder/subsubfolder/howlong/canI/keep/this/up/CNTOIWITS.hmtl as a variant form of the name of the French town of Lyon, dated to 1391.

The submitter's forms are a bit indistinct. It's possible the byname is spelled <Li-ion> on the Society Name line, but that can't be right.

A printout of the web page has been included with this submission.

10: Maynerd de Liion - New Device

Vert a wheel, sans Tire, the Spokes couped, between, in chief, two delfs, the dexter, elongated fesswise, the sinister, elongated palewise, and in base, an open book, palewise, all, argent.

11: Rudolphus Diemserioremscriptus the Proper - New Device

Argent, a Windsor knot bendy gules and azure.

The submitter's branch is Boring-Alice.

The submitter's name was registered in April of 1966.

12: Sciencia Artes - New Name

• Submitter desires a female name.

The submitter's branch is Wieldsmore

The submitter wishes a feminine name that's well-crafted. She will not accept a hold-up name as her goods are very dear to her. Having recently been elevated to the Order of the Laurel, she plans on developing her entire achievement before submitting her device for consideration. At last word she was trying to figure out how to emblazon a harp within calipers and umuttering something aboutdisliking stone candles. It was quite confusing.

<Sciencia> is dated 1260 in 'Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames' by Talan Gwynekat http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/reaneyintro.html

<Artes> is round in Reaney & Wilson s.n. Artis, the submitted spelling is dated to 1524.

13: Seegirdle, Barony of - New Order Name

Order of the Well-Tied Lace

• Meaning ((wink, wink, nudge, nudge)) most important.

Meaning (wink wink nudge nudge) most important.

Submitter's name was registered in January 1990.

The submitter will accept any change of clothing, cares most about the implied meaning of the name, which you really ought to get, you're all adults, and expresses no interest in having the name changed to be authentic.

As per RfS III.2.b, <Order of the> is a common designator, and as per RfS III.2.b.ii, the name is similar to a sign name. Anyway, there's The Order of the Garter, for crying out loud!

13: Seegirdle, Barony of - New Badge

Sable, a fess Or fretty sable between flaunches argent.

This letter contains eight new names, one new order name, one new branch name, one new ordre name, five new devices, and three new badgers, err, badges for a total of umpteen submissions. We didn't do it, nobody saw us, and you can't prove anything.

An Tir OSCAR counts: 8 New Names, 1 New Name Change, 1 New Order Name, 1 New Branch Name, 5 New Devices, 3 New Badges. This gives 19 new items. Resub Counts: There are no resubmissions on this letter.

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